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Impressive stuff. From the sound of the commentary, all that physics was done solely on the GPU.
“This makes Ageia PhysX look like a complete joke, I can't wait for more info!
At work so only had a quick look with sound off and I missed large sections out. Can you point me to the bits that did better then Ageia? At a glance I didn’t see anything that’s not already in Ageia games out now but I only watched the start in detail. Hoping to watch it at dinner.
At work so only had a quick look with sound off and I missed large sections out. Can you point me to the bits that did better then Ageia? At a glance I didn’t see anything that’s not already in Ageia games out now but I only watched the start in detail. Hoping to watch it at dinner.
How about, oh I don't know, every part where he said everything is rendered purely on the GPU? Havok 4.0 will be used on the PS3 so I don't think he's talking about SLI/Crossfire graphics either!Pottsey said:
This technology, combined with the ability to utilise up to four CPU cores as in the Alan Wake video, is going to make Ageia PhysX seem redundant. Why buy a new card at all if it can all be done on the GPU and CPUs can keep up now?
Maybe when the Ageia PPU costs £50, which will be never.
“It will also have Havok 4.0, read the site.”
I was under the impression Sony bought a licence that means every company can use Ageia without paying money and they where pushing the use of Ageia. Sony added Ageia into the Sony SDK development kit as part of the default package.
For a company to use Havok on the PS3 will cost extra money and time along with needed an extra SDK kit. I would be surprised if Havok was widely used on the PS3. The only games I expect to use Havok are ports which use Havok on another system.
“How about, oh I don't know, every part where he said everything is rendered purely on the GPU?”
So because its render on the GPU its automatically better quality then Ageia? Even though the video was poor quality and we couldn’t tell what things like where like in deatil, it still better then Ageia because it’s on the GPU?
I personally thought the video was far to poor quality to say it was better or worse. Things like the smoke where so blockly I couldn’t tell if it was moving around objects as 3Dsmoke or not. Lots of objects and the liquids where no better then what we have in games now from what I could tell. Not going comment on speed as you cannot tell that from a vid.
“Why buy a new card at all if it can all be done on the GPU and CPUs can keep up now?”
Perhaps you haven’t heard but it looks like the plans changed. Nvidia want you to buy a PPU card that does PPU work only not GPU. There where even possible screenshots off it. I fail to see how 2 GPU and a PPU form Nvida is any better or different from 1 Nivida GPU and 1 Agiea PPU.
If you go for Ageia or Nvidia you still have to buy 2 cards. Why is buying 2 Nvidia ok but buying 1 Ageia and 1 Nvidia bad?
I was under the impression Sony bought a licence that means every company can use Ageia without paying money and they where pushing the use of Ageia. Sony added Ageia into the Sony SDK development kit as part of the default package.
For a company to use Havok on the PS3 will cost extra money and time along with needed an extra SDK kit. I would be surprised if Havok was widely used on the PS3. The only games I expect to use Havok are ports which use Havok on another system.
“How about, oh I don't know, every part where he said everything is rendered purely on the GPU?”
So because its render on the GPU its automatically better quality then Ageia? Even though the video was poor quality and we couldn’t tell what things like where like in deatil, it still better then Ageia because it’s on the GPU?
I personally thought the video was far to poor quality to say it was better or worse. Things like the smoke where so blockly I couldn’t tell if it was moving around objects as 3Dsmoke or not. Lots of objects and the liquids where no better then what we have in games now from what I could tell. Not going comment on speed as you cannot tell that from a vid.
“Why buy a new card at all if it can all be done on the GPU and CPUs can keep up now?”
Perhaps you haven’t heard but it looks like the plans changed. Nvidia want you to buy a PPU card that does PPU work only not GPU. There where even possible screenshots off it. I fail to see how 2 GPU and a PPU form Nvida is any better or different from 1 Nivida GPU and 1 Agiea PPU.
If you go for Ageia or Nvidia you still have to buy 2 cards. Why is buying 2 Nvidia ok but buying 1 Ageia and 1 Nvidia bad?
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What I saw in that video was equal to or better than anything I have seen out of Ageia PhysX, and if I can do that without buying a PPU then I'm happy. Like I said, when PPUs cost £50 I will be interested.Pottsey said:
I know about SLI/Crossfire physics, and if this video does really demonstrate all those effects on a single GPU alongside the graphics work then the solution by Nvidia and ATI are both in the same position as Ageia PhysX, in that it will only be used by people who are willing to fork out way too much money for a few titles.Pottsey said:
SLI/Crossfire physics has an advantage though in that those technologies are already widely adopted for graphics use by the very high-end enthusiast market, so those people can simply choose to use their second card as a PPU whereas an Ageia PPU is just a PPU and nothing else.
Pottsey said:
I don't keep that up to date with PPU's but I was under the impression Ati/Nvidia's solution was going to be either an additional chip on their graphics cards to be used as a PPU, or that you could plug your old graphics card into the Sli slot when you upgrade and use your old graphics card as the PPU?
Ulfhedjinn said:
currently they ship a few games with the agiea ppu. soon games will incluse the agiea ppu since it will be that useless and redundant in the future.
"havok is here to stay, agiea is not" that is quoted by the agiea chairman.
“What I saw in that video was equal to or better than anything I have seen out of Ageia PhysX,“
ftp://66.220.3.57/cfr_hd.zip and it’s a full game not a tech demo.
“if I can do that without buying a PPU then I'm happy.”
You still have to spend £200 on a card so what’s the difference? You also have to get a new motherboard if you Nvidia have there way.
“I know about SLI/Crossfire physics, and if this video does really demonstrate all those effects on a single GPU”
It’s looking more and more like it’s not for your current GPU but Nvidia are bringing out a PPU card based on GPU shaders. Though I could be wrong there’s a lot of contradicting info.
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=4329
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09/21/asus_spills_nvidia_beans/
“or that you could plug your old graphics card into the Sli slot when you upgrade and use your old graphics card as the PPU?”
See above links it appears they want you to buy a new motherboard with 3 slots and the 3rd slot is for the Nvidia physics card.
ftp://66.220.3.57/cfr_hd.zip and it’s a full game not a tech demo.
“if I can do that without buying a PPU then I'm happy.”
You still have to spend £200 on a card so what’s the difference? You also have to get a new motherboard if you Nvidia have there way.
“I know about SLI/Crossfire physics, and if this video does really demonstrate all those effects on a single GPU”
It’s looking more and more like it’s not for your current GPU but Nvidia are bringing out a PPU card based on GPU shaders. Though I could be wrong there’s a lot of contradicting info.
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=4329
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09/21/asus_spills_nvidia_beans/
“or that you could plug your old graphics card into the Sli slot when you upgrade and use your old graphics card as the PPU?”
See above links it appears they want you to buy a new motherboard with 3 slots and the 3rd slot is for the Nvidia physics card.
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“Hey we all know a physics card worked great in ghost recon ”
Its ok now as it no longer slows down you PC and in other games it gives as much as 60% performance boost. There are more games then just Ghost recon and the problems with GR mostly got fixed.
Its just most people on these forums refuse to believe in drivers bugs in the first few drivers and they also refuse to believe newer games are better then Ghost Recon. So instead pretend all the games are as bad as Ghost Recon used to be.
Its ok now as it no longer slows down you PC and in other games it gives as much as 60% performance boost. There are more games then just Ghost recon and the problems with GR mostly got fixed.
Its just most people on these forums refuse to believe in drivers bugs in the first few drivers and they also refuse to believe newer games are better then Ghost Recon. So instead pretend all the games are as bad as Ghost Recon used to be.
Why do I have to spend £200 on a card if Havok 4.0 can do all that on a GPU and multi-core CPU without getting in the way of graphics work?Pottsey said:
That would be unfortunate for Nvidia since ATI will be offering this, that can supposedly be done with only an X1300 or X1600 doing the job of a PPU. That is moot anyway, as see above, most people will be more than happy with Havok 4.0 if it works as in that video with a single GPU and multi-core CPU as it pushes dedicated PPU/GPU physics into the super-high end and makes them redundant.Pottsey said:
Not sure what your obsession is with Nvidia as they're not the only ones doing GPU physics. As I just said ATI are going GPU physics that don't require you to buy a new card (if you already have an interest in Crossfire), but Havok 4.0 looks like it will run on one GPU and multi-core CPU anyway so it's all redundant.Pottsey said:
ghost recon was better without the agiea ppu. there was a review done somewhere that tested this and it showed that stupid thngs happen when the ppu is active, like doors that fall off cars seem to hover on thier edges.
ill see if i can find that article then put agiea to shame.
ill see if i can find that article then put agiea to shame.