Hazro - Any Update?

The Colour gamut is derived from the type of backlighting used not the actual panel HP may use superior backlighting to give a higher colour contrast Ratio.

yes, to a point. It will still be a different panel module used in that new HP model I believe, not quite the same as the one used in the Hazro models.

According the input lag results on TFT Central and posted here the 2408WFP scores 34ms and Hazro W 32.7ms and MRK has tested the new Hazro i to 30ms - I haven't seen 64ms in an actual test hence the request. I'm waiting on new rev 2408WFP's I'll test these as soon as they arrive

hang on, this has gotten a bit confused. At TFT Central, the input lag results were:

Hazro HZ24W = 32.7ms average
Dell 2408WFP = 64.1ms average

input_lag.jpg


http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_2408wfp.htm

new HZ24Wi from mrk's tests seems to be quite similar to the old one.
 
yep, HZ26Wi should be within the next couple of weeks, it's not available until the 13th but i should have it for a side by side with the NEc LCD2690WUXi. Will probably take a look at the HZ24Wi at a later date too
 
for the new "i" model using the same genesis scalar chip as used on the dell that actually scores 34ms (4ms is nothing at all) but the problem is down to the scalar chip, so what's the real story, anyone else got a new Hazro?

How many times must I say this, the scaler chip is only part of the story on the Dell. The Samsung panel also shares a lot of the blame as Overdrive circuitry adds lag as well. Badass over at TFTCentral clocked the dell at 64ms, not 34 as you keep stating (I think you may be talking about the 2407, which is discontinued, instead of the current 2408 which is the one people are complaining about lag wise), have a look at his chart:

input_lag.jpg


Philjohn do you work for Hazro? All of your posts pormote Hazro over every other manufacturer and consistently in all your various posts - you slate the Dell (and even the new HP, half heartedly that actually uses the same S-IPS panel as the Hazro!)

No I don't, and to be honest I find your insinuation that I'm nothing more than a shill objectionable. I slate the Dell because I had the 2408 less than a week before sending it back due to all the problems I experienced:

  • Pink hue on left of screen that no amount of calibration would fix
  • Right hand side of the screen was noticably darker than the rest
  • Horrendous input lag (to the point where moving the mouse, or windows around, on the desktop it was noticeable)
  • With the brightness down to a comfortable level the overdrive added green flashes on moving items

Let's also not forget the problem of it being wide-gamut on a, let's be honest here, non-pro screen that's caused problems for people buying it who don't have access to a calibration device. Now, if my problems were isolated I'd say I just got a bad panel and would have given Dell another chance, but other people reported these exact issues, and let's not forget all the issues with the 3008 as well. This points to a serious problem in the Dell panel division that needs sorting before I'd touch them again with a bargepole.

As for the HP, all I said was it was ugly and had a new panel that is an unkown quantity. Please check your facts, there is no way that the HP uses the same panel as the Hazro as it's wide gamut. This points to it using a new part from LG.Display, the WU4, which is their only wide-gamut panel in a 24" form-factor. I don't know of anyone else using this monitor, and so until it comes out it's an unknown quanity. Compare this to the WU2 which, before being used in the Hazro, was used in the 24" i-mac and (with a different polarizer) the highly acclaimed NEC 24" IPS monitor only available in the states.

The reason I've promoted the Hazro, even with the DMPS issue (the only issue I, and most other people, suffer from) is that when I reported the problem, they sent an engineer out with a replacement logic board, and if that didn't fix the problem, a replacement monitor. I think you'll agree service like that tends to give you a good impression of a company very much wanting to produce a good product.

We have always used Dell which have their fair share of minor issues, but yet you read the posts and Hazro have far more problems - in addition the warranty is only 1 year on-site the balance is RTB - Unlike dell which has a 4 year on-site NEXT DAY replacement. Reading these posts the majority of existing Hazro customers are still waiting for replacements for various issues

The reason we're waiting is because, rather than just do a half-assed firmware upgrade, Hazro decided to reward us early adopters with a substantially upgraded monitor. This took a bit of time to action, and now people are getting their replacements.

Let's not forget the Dell panel lottery that they kept pulling, which was downright dishonest in my opinion.

What is the background of Hazro? Are they made in UK? I haven't seen any out here yet (China). Do you know if they are sold out here (maybe under a different name)?

The individual components are made in the far east, however, the final assembly all takes place in the UK.
 
How much movement do you mean.
If I touch the screen just above the Hazro badge then the screen will move back and forth about 1mm.
You only have to touch the screen really gently for it to do this, it does it all the way accross the bottom untill you get to an inch or so away from the corners.

Your stuck pixel on your new monitor have you tried fixing it ?
http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Stuck-Pixel-on-an-LCD-Monitor
http://www.jscreenfix.com/

It was probably a little more than a mm on the old monitor, but it also did it all the way up both sides as well as the bottom and made the picture go a bit funny, and yes, you only had to touch it very lightly for it to do this!

As I said, the new one is MUCH better, but still moves and I was a little concerned it was not supposed to do this. It is apparently normal according to Hazro. Case closed :P

I've tried jscreenfix and udpixel on various monitors before. It's never done a damn thing for me. Tried on the Hazro for about an hour, no change. Other more physical methods, I've tried those too, but I am not sure I am doing it right.

Is it important to use a pen to do the tapping one? I've tapped it with my finger nail LOADS, I see a white glow... naff all else happens :P If it weren't for this stuck pixel I would be dead happy now.
 
Philjohn point taken when a user posts solely on one brand then the question has to be asked, the forum is supposed to be impartial

I stand corrected re the input lag on the 2408WFP at 64.1ms, We have several Dell's and have not noticed any issues as a result of this but we're not gamers, we have experienced 2 with colour problems that we're subsequently replaced and next day. We have received a 3008WFP A02 with a dead pixel and that was replaced next day.

I still see that the Hazro has as many fundemental issues as the Dell and it remains to be seen if the warranty will cover all the people still waiting a more than a month for replacement units
 
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Philjohn point taken when a user posts solely on one brand then the question has to be asked, the forum is supposed to be impartial

I stand corrected re the input lag on the 2408WFP at 64.1ms, We have several Dell's and have not noticed any issues as a result of this but we're not gamers, we have experienced 2 with colour problems that we're subsequently replaced and next day. We have received a 3008WFP A02 with a dead pixel and that was replaced next day.

I still see that the Hazro has as many fundemental issues as the Dell and it remains to be seen if the warranty will cover all the people still waiting a more than a month for replacement units


Neither I or Phil work for Hazro, I am sure Phil stands by his Hazro for the same reasons as myself but I will clarify why i stand by the Hazro because I'm in a position to have previously owned the more popular expensive 24" screens in the last few months and whilst they were very good they had flaws that hindered their daily usage for people like myself in one major area or more be it mouse lag, odd text fuzziness or inaccurate colour shifting from various angles or even build quality/usability bugs.

The Hazro 24" is now on revision 2 and it's shaped up very well. The other guys who have got their "i" models now have reported some problems and I'm sure they will be resolved by Hazro or OCUK soon but on the whole the panel itself is spot on and nobody can slate it just because of a stuck pixel because any screen from any maker can have a stuck pixel so this is a null point!

Also I think the statement that the Hazro has as many problems as the Dells to be laughable because just look at how many revisions of every Dell 24" has come out over the past couple of years. Just how many times do Dell need to fix their 24" (and other models too) screens to get them right?
 
In fact I am so confident in the HZ24Wi that I invite anyone living nearby to come and visit and have a play yourselves to see what it's like. How much fairer can someone get!
 
It's quite amazing what a fanatical bunch we are :D, but it's because the thing is that good (even with the faults).

Hehe yeah. I can't speak for others but I'm just looking for a decent screen.
In the transition from CRT to LCD I have been through more LCD's and lost more money getting rid of them than I care to mention ;)

The Hazro doesn't in any way seem perfect to me. Just as close as it seems possible to get these days. I'm still not impressed by the input lag but then again somewhat comforted by MRK's review ;)

I don't understand why it seems that every semi quality screens all have input lag. If it is beeing caused by the scaler. Why do we need this scaler. My graphic card handles any scaling I would ever need without lag. Perhaps in the future they could make a button to bypass this scaler. Sorry I'm not a engineer :rolleyes:
 
Oh, and I can confirm what mrk says about the ghosting aspect of things. I noticed the odd black trail on the mouse cursor on certain background, and some light inverse ghosting on http://www.prad.de/images/monitore/dell2407wfphc_spiele1.jpg before. Both of these issues appear to be completely fixed. I've not noticed any ghosting anywhere so far! :)

I had to make this a separate post because it only allows 10 images apparently, and the link to to this test image counts...
 
The need for a scaler is quite important, a decent scaler chip will give better quality images and text at non standard resolutions which is hugely important on a large TFT unlike on a CRT where any resolution is virtually fine for text/images thanks to the almost free FSAA a CRT provides :p
 
The need for a scaler is quite important, a decent scaler chip will give better quality images and text at non standard resolutions which is hugely important on a large TFT unlike on a CRT where any resolution is virtually fine for text/images thanks to the almost free FSAA a CRT provides :p

Ok but why can't a high quality graphic card handle this ?
 
In Windows it can but what use is it in Windows when you are connecting a console or DVD player or another source :p - hence scaler chip!
 
In Windows it can but what use is it in Windows when you are connecting a console or DVD player or another source :p - hence scaler chip!

I had a feeling the reason was something like that. Things I don't give a No swearing please! about :rolleyes: (sorry for cursing)

If this is indeed the reason. I am baffled that any engineer would be willing to introduce a 30ms lag for that purpose. Thats just plain stupidity IMHO :eek:

Again sorry for my harsh words but this is something I feel strongly about ;)

I would go so far as to pay a 100£ extra for a unit without scaler and consequently blissfull zero input lag.

Well then again the theory just supports my previous proposal for a button to bypass the scaler.
 
I don't think the scaler increases input lag, it has the ability to decrease it which we have seen in the hz24wi - the panel itself would give the end ms input lag really which is why almost all TN panels have very low input lag results usually and they have ass scalers in general.
 
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