HD-DVD Drive first thoughts

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well I have had one for a week or so now, not been using it becuase I didnt have any HD-DVD's :p

My inital impressions just on how it played standard DVDs were pretty good the picture seemed as good as my £250 pioneer DVD player.

Anyway, the postman dropped off my very first HD-DVD yesterday, GOODFELLAS, I know its an oldy, but its a goodie, i also checked on the review sites and it got top marks for picture and sound quality so i was expecting good things.

Oh, its being used with a Panasonic TX52 LCD TV by the way, the first thing i did was try both 720p & 1080i , i always use 720p but I thought id see if there was a differance, and yes there is, 1080i is a lot clearer, you can really tell the differance espceally on the CIA warning screen at the start, the text is pin sharp compared to the 720p.

Anyway, sat down to watch the film with the missus last night have to say im very underwhelmed by my first film experiance with HD-DVD, the jump from standard DVD just wasnt there, and right now I am hoping its just the first film iv bought. it really didnt offer anything over a very good DVD transfer picture wise. I got the expected comment off the missus I was waiting for 'and this cost you how much again!"

It in no way comes close the HD showcase films I have streaming off my PC. let alone the best DVDs in my collection, I mean if you put Goodfellas on the HD DVD drive and Cars in my DVD player and asked people to choose which was HD I think they would go for Cars.

sound, I have 2 issues here, firstly, again I was very under impressed by the overall sound quality, I have this film on standard DVD and know it sounds a lot better. I also know the 360 sound from games sounds a lot better. Im sure its becuase there is no direct output from the drive itself, and every is being shuffled through a USB cable then split up, but things just dont sound that great.

My biggest concern is the sound of the unit itself though, not the addon drive but the actual 360, this is the first time I have used it to sit down and watch a fiklm properly, and even with the home cimema setup on load, and especaly in a film with a lot of dialog, all you can here in the background is the whine of that flaming machine, I am a bit of a silence freak but it really does ruin the whole experiance.

so there we go, err not overally impressed, I will try it with a newer film, i have a couple more on the way but even if the picture and sound were great, I think I would still struggle to put up with the unit because of the noise, as it stands, I think im going to flog it and get a standalone HD-DVD player, one with dedicated outputs alowing me to use quality cables. and more importantly one that doesnt sound like a bloody hoover convention is going on in my living room
 
Just posted this elsewhere, so will copy and paste here...

I watched The Fugitive last night which is classed as a poor HD film, hell, if thats classed as Tier 4 I'm excited about watching the Tier 1's The Hulk and King Kong as the film was fantastic. The Tier 1's have been described as near 3D where The Fugitive isn't, but the quality is amazing, it is basically like playing a game on a SDTV rather than a HD TV, everything is so refined, the quality is great.

Loving it so far..
 
oweneades said:
Good review although didn't you get kong with your drive as I thought all 360 HD dvd drives (I assume you mean that drive) came with kong.


My drive was imported from hong kong, so didnt come with King Kong, quite tempted to get it as its supposed to have the best picture quality out there at the moment, along with serinity, although not keen on either film to be honest.
 
kidloco said:
My drive was imported from hong kong, so didnt come with King Kong, quite tempted to get it as its supposed to have the best picture quality out there at the moment, along with serinity, although not keen on either film to be honest.

You should really get some recent films as they will have been shot in the best of quality. King Kong really does look amazing, and is actually quite a good film if you haven't seen it before. I can also recommend Batman Begins for its PQ.
 
So the TV is 720p and the original source is 1080p?

It doesn't matter which resolution you use, you'll only see 720p.

1080i is only about 10% higher bandwidth than 720p, but then you've got to iron out the interlacing effects. I too would have expected 720p to be better, especially as the image is being played with twice when you set it to 1080i (1080p -> 1080i -> 720p). I guess detail might be better at 1080i setting on slow moving stuff, but with action and sharp edges the interlacing artifacts might show through.
 
I would have thought the same mate, which is why I have always used 720p, I had read all about the jaggies ad sync issues on fast moving shots etc, but in goodfellas I honestly couldnt notice a single artifact

I know on static shots there is a big differance, can notice it the best on the 360 dashboard, the 1080i is so much clearer. could be a cable issue as well because I have just noticed on 720p on the dash im getting ever so slight ghosting on the text, on 1080i nothing (its a joytech cable i think, the one with the optical output)

I will try it again with a more modern film, dont know how to get around the sound issues though, cant even put it in a hi-fi cabinet as i would be paranoid about it overheating

Iv been trying to hunt around to see if there are any better cables out there but i cant find any. I always like to use as good a cable as i can afford on my equipment, and looking at the component cable im using for my 360, it doesnt look the greatest piece of kit in the world, now with the HD DVD addon you think there would be at least a few companys offerign a HQ upgrade
 
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kidloco said:
well I have had one for a week or so now, not been using it becuase I didnt have any HD-DVD's :p

My inital impressions just on how it played standard DVDs were pretty good the picture seemed as good as my £250 pioneer DVD player.

Anyway, the postman dropped off my very first HD-DVD yesterday, GOODFELLAS, I know its an oldy, but its a goodie, i also checked on the review sites and it got top marks for picture and sound quality so i was expecting good things.

Oh, its being used with a Panasonic TX52 LCD TV by the way, the first thing i did was try both 720p & 1080i , i always use 720p but I thought id see if there was a differance, and yes there is, 1080i is a lot clearer, you can really tell the differance espceally on the CIA warning screen at the start, the text is pin sharp compared to the 720p.

Anyway, sat down to watch the film with the missus last night have to say im very underwhelmed by my first film experiance with HD-DVD, the jump from standard DVD just wasnt there, and right now I am hoping its just the first film iv bought. it really didnt offer anything over a very good DVD transfer picture wise. I got the expected comment off the missus I was waiting for 'and this cost you how much again!"

It in no way comes close the HD showcase films I have streaming off my PC. let alone the best DVDs in my collection, I mean if you put Goodfellas on the HD DVD drive and Cars in my DVD player and asked people to choose which was HD I think they would go for Cars.

sound, I have 2 issues here, firstly, again I was very under impressed by the overall sound quality, I have this film on standard DVD and know it sounds a lot better. I also know the 360 sound from games sounds a lot better. Im sure its becuase there is no direct output from the drive itself, and every is being shuffled through a USB cable then split up, but things just dont sound that great.

My biggest concern is the sound of the unit itself though, not the addon drive but the actual 360, this is the first time I have used it to sit down and watch a fiklm properly, and even with the home cimema setup on load, and especaly in a film with a lot of dialog, all you can here in the background is the whine of that flaming machine, I am a bit of a silence freak but it really does ruin the whole experiance.

so there we go, err not overally impressed, I will try it with a newer film, i have a couple more on the way but even if the picture and sound were great, I think I would still struggle to put up with the unit because of the noise, as it stands, I think im going to flog it and get a standalone HD-DVD player, one with dedicated outputs alowing me to use quality cables. and more importantly one that doesnt sound like a bloody hoover convention is going on in my living room

Well said !! This is the very reason I have steered clear of the HD-DVD addon by a country mile !
 
People are right, quite a lot of the current high def stuff isn't very well mastered. There are good examples (King Kong) and bad examples. The USB isn't limitting you at all. BluRay players use IDE connections which are far lower bandwidth than USB 2.0. All the decoding is done on the XBox side, so you couldn't have sound outputs on the drive anyway.

The main reason I think the XBox360 is a poor media player that, as you said, the noise. It's got a turbine in there. There are rumours that there'll be a die-shrink on the CPU and GPU in the spring and that they'll muck about with the fannage to make it quietter. Power consumption will go down, so hopefully it'll have a smaller power brick as well. Question is whether MS just silently release it, or put out a big fan-fare, make it slightly different and call it a new model (and axe the bundles while keeping the costs the same).
 
duncan888 said:
You should really get some recent films as they will have been shot in the best of quality.


Apart from a few recent films shot on digital everything is shot on film, there shouldn't be any difference between a film made last year and one from ten years ago if the negatives are well maintained.
 
From what I've read of people's experiences on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, and a little bit of my own, 720p and 1080i really aren't the biggest steps up from DVD, wheras a proper 1080p set will make a hell of a difference in the picture. It'll all depend on how good your TV is overall and how far away you're sitting to be able to see the extra detail, but I'm holding out on properly going into the High Definition disc format wars until decent 1080p TVs are available at reasonable prices.
 
The OP's experience mirrors that of another review which I read recently on another site. The reviewer said that there wasn't much difference between a good upscaling DVD player playing normal DVDs, and HD-DVD. He said that the difference is not of the same magnitude as VHS to DVD was, and that consequently it might be hard to sell this new technology to the majority of the general public who just aren't going to notice much difference.

The fact that there are two competing standards, and you won't be able to get all of the films you want because some of them won't be on your standard of choice, will just alienate the public even more - it certainly puts me right off the whole thing.

I'm gonna sit back, wait and decide in a few years' time. There is no rush and DVD is not going away for a long time :)
 
kidloco said:
its a joytech cable i think, the one with the optical output

Just curious why you are not using the MS one if you are using componet as that as optical out on the cable

So does the MS VGA cable as well

Kimbie
 
Nikumba said:
Just curious why you are not using the MS one if you are using componet as that as optical out on the cable

So does the MS VGA cable as well

Kimbie


I got the joytech one as when I bought the 360 the MS cables were short on the ground, Also looking at a picture of the MS one off an etailer it doesnt look as if it has an optical, I guess it does though ?

might be worth trying one of those if its a better quality cable
 
kidloco said:
I got the joytech one as when I bought the 360 the MS cables were short on the ground, Also looking at a picture of the MS one off an etailer it doesnt look as if it has an optical, I guess it does though ?

might be worth trying one of those if its a better quality cable
All MS cables come with the optical port for sound, though I don't think the standard composite that comes with the core system does.
 
i-bert said:
What do you mean by that?


He's talking rot. Age of the film has nothing to do with end picture quality. Many films from the 60's have far superior picture quality from the 80's, where film cost cutting was in effect.

Not only do you need to find movies where the original film was high quality, but also if the newer HD transfers from master/film or worthy of HD, ie Bladerunner could be released on HD, but it's always had lousy picture quality and the film needs to be re-mastered. If it's the same, basically it'll be HD, scaled from HD. So not not worth it.

Classic westerns/epics used very high quality film.

However things like Toy Story, MI and other animations if sourced from the HD renderings will be superb.
 
i-bert said:
You arn't going to see a big difference if you are watching on a 32" or less TV.
You didn't quote anyone so I am guessing you mean difference between DVD and HD DVD?

If so. Your pretty wrong there.
 
squiffy said:
He's talking rot. Age of the film has nothing to do with end picture quality. Many films from the 60's have far superior picture quality from the 80's, where film cost cutting was in effect.

Not only do you need to find movies where the original film was high quality, but also if the newer HD transfers from master/film or worthy of HD, ie Bladerunner could be released on HD, but it's always had lousy picture quality and the film needs to be re-mastered. If it's the same, basically it'll be HD, scaled from HD. So not not worth it.

Classic westerns/epics used very high quality film.

However things like Toy Story, MI and other animations if sourced from the HD renderings will be superb.

Yeah i was expecting the whole "only recent films are shot in HD".
 
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