Headsets for gaming

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As title folks, looking for something reasonably priced (willing to pay up to £200).

Im curious about these 7.1 headsets and if they really do give the 7.1 effect?
Also Im not sure about wired vs. wireless, concerned with lag etc.
Microphone a given of course.
And last but not least, weight. I don't want something too heavy.

Saw the Logitech G930 which looks sweet, but would be grateful for your advice/opinions on this or other headsets.
 
headsets all of them are crap compared to spending the same money on a pair of headphones and either a separate mic or having headphones with a removeable cable and then replacing the cable with a v moda boom pro.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad...-update-3-29-2014-ultrasone-hs-15-added-edits


that is the only thing you should need to look at for picking a gaming headphone


here is the FAQ from the above link

[*] Why are Gaming Headsets often said to be inferior to regular headphones?
In general, headphones (especially "audiophile" or "hi-fi" headphones) tend to have better sound quality than your typical gaming headsets. This is due to a number of reasons, such as: a design more focused on maximizing sound quality instead of maximizing stylish "gaming" looks, an Open Vs. Closed design (most gaming headsets are closed), and simply having more experience at designing headphones than gaming headset companies.




[*] What about multi-driver "true surround sound" headphones? Aren't they better?
No. Multi-driver headphones make use of tiny drivers with inferior performance to larger stereo (dual driver) headphones. A better route is a good pair of stereo headphones with a good virtual surround DSP.



[*] Do I need an amp?
That depends on your headphone. All headphones will benefit from an amp, but some benefit more. Those are usually higher ohm OR lower sensitivity headphones.



[*] Will headphone X be a huge improvemet for competitve gaming over the AD700?

Probably not. HD800s or SR009 are probably the very best headphones, but nothing is going to be that much of an improvement for competitive gaming over the AD700s.
Your NOT going to keep getting competitive improvements as you go up in price. The main improvements your going to get are a more immersive sound (fuller weighter sound, better bass). Sometimes a more immersive sound counteracts a competitive focused sound though. Part of the reason the AD700 works so well for soundwhoring is because it sounds bright and bass light (counteracts immersion though).
So if your looking for the very best headphone for competitve gaming, just get an AD700. Or get an HD800. Everything in between the two will offer improvements to immersion, but not really improvements for simple competitive sound whoring. If your willing to trade a little competitive ability for a more immersive and enjoyable sound (and a more audiophile headphone that will be better with music), then you should look at more immersive headphones.




[*] What traits make for a good competitive gaming headphone?
A non-bassy heavy signature, emphasis on mids and highs to bring out details like footsteps, and a large and accurate sounding soundstage...


[*] What traits make for a good immersive gaming headphone?
Dat Bass...




[*] What' the difference between "Dolby Digital" and "Dolby Headphone"?


Dolby Digital surround and Dolby Headphone surround are NOT the same thing.


Dolby Digital is a compressed and encoded 5.1 channel signal which can ONLY be passed through optical or HDMI. Dolby Digital is actual surround sound (5.1 channel), NOT virtual surround sound for headphones (2 channel). You can't listen to Dolby Digital with headphones, unless your headphone has multiple drivers. To get virtual surround for your headphones you need to process that 5.1 channel into a 2 channel (stereo) signal that your stereo headphones can actually use. That's where Dolby Headphone comes in.


Dolby Headphone is a virtual surround sound DSP for headphones which takes a Dolby Digital 5.1 channel signal and downmixes and processes into a special 2 channel stereo signal that any headphone can use. Since it's just a 2 channel stereo signal, any 3.5mm jack will output it and it will work with any regular stereo headphone (although some work better than others). Even though it's only a stereo signal, it still sounds like surround sound when used with headphones because the Dolby Headphone DSP adds head related transfer function cues to the signal, which fool the brain into the hearing the same surround sound that was in the original 5.1 signal.



[*] My PC has optical/toslink out. Will I be able to plug in a device like the Astro Mixamp or Ear Force DSS?
Maybe. It depends on whether your computer's sound card is capable of encoding games into Dolby Digital and outputting that signal through optical.



[*] Can I have more than one DAC in the audio chain? Can I "chain" DACs together?
NO. You only convert the signal from digital to analog ONE time, so the first device in the chain that gives you an analog signal is your DAC and will be the only DAC in the chain.


[*] Should I get a mixamp if I'm gaming on PC?
No, probably not. Devices like the Mixamp are mainly recommended for consoles. For PC's a better solution is an internal soundcard.



[*] What's the difference between Pro Logic II and Dolby Headphone?/What is Pro Logic II?
Pro Logic II is basically a 2 channel signal upconverted to interpolated mutli-channel surround, while Dolby Headphone is basically multi-channel surround down-converted to 2 channel stereo with virtual surround from added HRTF cues.



Here are the top choices


MY TOP CHOICES (for quick reference)

Competitive:

K701
Q701
SRH1840
K702 65th Anniversary Edition
MA900
Alpha Dog
HD598
PC360
AD700
SR-407
ESP-950



Fun:

D7000
LCD-2
Fidelio X1
DT990
Mad Dog v.3.2
Pro 900
HE-400
Alpha Dog
K702 65th Anniversary Edition
MA900
Creative Aurvana Live!
SLYR



All-rounders (for both uses):

D7000
Fidelio X1
LCD-2
Alpha Dog
HE-400
K702 65th Anniversary Edition
MA-900
SR-407
MrSpeakers Mad Dog v.3.2
DT990
ESP-950
Creative Aurvana Live!


google the above choices and pick one, then you can buy a clip on mic for £1.56 from DX or import a v moda boom pro from the US if you buy a se of cans with a removable wire.

as for surround sound i think you can use the £20 asus xonar DG with a pair of headphones ti mimic it but at the end of the day all decent cans are stereo, all your doing is mimicking it not replicating it, those that replicate it tend to have small drivers or sound like crap, etc.
 
what sonny said...

for what its worth, I have the pc360 and although they are good, if I had to make the choice again i'd go for dt700 and a clip on mic
 
Thanks for your inputs folks.

I didn't realise it was this indepth concerning cans etc!

Also I just wanted to get something simple but it seems its a bit more involved!

Is there any recommendations from the above + a mic which can be detached easily?

Am I right in saying that I will need to plug BOTH the headphone jack and the mic jack separately into the PC? Do you guys plug them into the front of your PCs or is there a more tidier way? Im just asking because there is going to be a fair few wires.

Is a wireless option going to be crappy I take it?
 
Cheers illamdal.

But I thought you guys mentioned headsets are not as good as headphones + Mic?

(Are theses headsets USB or jack?
 
what soundcard do you have?

I assumed you wanted simple, rather than different wires - hence my recommendation.

separates are going to be better, but then you need a good soundcard or headphone amp to get the most out of them, then the endless debate over whats the best...etc..

Jack, i've never been a fan of usb headsets - but again it depends what you are used to....

for just over £200 you could get a good soundcard like http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SC-017-AS&groupid=701&catid=11 and a a cheap clip on mic and some beyerdynamics - dt770dt or dt990 - or one of the many listed above
 
what sound card do you have?

if it's onboard, i would suggest splitting your £200 budget so that it also includes a decent sound card.

as for wires it can be as many as 2 or as little as 1 and then use a splitter when it gets near the PC to turn 1 cable into 2 so one goes into the headphone jack and the other the mic input.

for £200 I would go for Fidelio X1's and a V moda boom pro mic.

you can however save a bundle of cash by buying a beyerdynamic DT990 and a £1.56 clip on mic from DX, or CAL's for £50 and a clip on mic.
 
I see thanks lads.

Currently using a msi z87 g45 on board soundcard. Tbh, I don't want to splash out on a new soundcard, but do you think its necessary in my case?
 
I see thanks lads.

Currently using a msi z87 g45 on board soundcard. Tbh, I don't want to splash out on a new soundcard, but do you think its necessary in my case?

since your a newb I suggest you just buy cheap tbh, you probably won't benefit from the mid-high end setups. Buying cheap and buying right is still going to get you a lot better than a £200 gaming headset sound wise.

get this

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SC-012-AS&groupid=701&catid=11

disable your onboard sound from the BIOS.

then get a clip on mic from DX for £1.56 and a set of Creative Aurvana Live from amazon for £50.


total cost to you £50+£1.56+£20 = <£75

you will save yourself £125 and have a pretty great setup tbh
 
Hmm think so Sonny?
This "clip on mic". Ive always was under the impression your typical gamer would have a wrap around mic? Is there a clip on mic for the CAL?
 
V-moda has a boom-mic that replaces your headphone cable (if you've got a set with a replaceable cable). Beyerdybanic also does one if you don't fancy importing all the way from the US.
 
V-moda has a boom-mic that replaces your headphone cable (if you've got a set with a replaceable cable). Beyerdybanic also does one if you don't fancy importing all the way from the US.

Which particular Beyer btw?

And also what is "DX"? Im trying to find it to buy this "clip on" mic?
 
Will do. Thanks all for your help again I appreciate it.
Sorry just coming back to soundcards again, what are the significant differences I would notice if I had a stand alone soundcard as opposed to the onboard mobo one?

Is it really that much of a difference?
E.g the audio on the mobo I have is:

• Realtek® ALC1150 Codec
- 7.1-Channel High Definition Audio
- Supports S/PDIF output
 
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Will do. Thanks all for your help again I appreciate it.
Sorry just coming back to soundcards again, what are the significant differences I would notice if I had a stand alone soundcard as opposed to the onboard mobo one?

Is it really that much of a difference?
E.g the audio on the mobo I have is:

• Realtek® ALC1150 Codec
- 7.1-Channel High Definition Audio
- Supports S/PDIF output

I'm no audiophile like some of the guys on here so take this with a pinch of salt but in reality:

A dedicated soundcard usually has better components, is more robust, specifically designed for that purpose and that purpose only, tends to be less effected by interference and also has WAY better driver support than your average onboard.

Even something cheap like the Asus Xonar, it's like 20 or 30 quid and it will guarentee a good sound, along with less headaches.

At least this is my experience.
 
Cheers folks. Ive ordered the Creative Aurvana and a SPES Speedlink Mic for now.

Do you think I should pick up the Xonar? I mean will I hear a noticeable difference with it?
 
Cheers folks. Ive ordered the Creative Aurvana and a SPES Speedlink Mic for now.

Do you think I should pick up the Xonar? I mean will I hear a noticeable difference with it?

I can't really answer that question, you might hear the sound of unicorns grazing on a mountain hill in candyland or you might hear the same old Kayne West, but you will definitely have LESS problems with the Xonar, and for £20 for the peace of mind you've got a soundcard that just works.. I'd say go for it.
 
Cheers folks. Ive ordered the Creative Aurvana and a SPES Speedlink Mic for now.

Do you think I should pick up the Xonar? I mean will I hear a noticeable difference with it?

how long is a piece of string.

IMO it's worth paying £20 for the asus card with the built in headphone amp.

since you don't have a clue about this stuff I wouldn't advise spending any more until you know why you need a headphone amp, etc.

some headphones are a lot harder to drive than others, there's people on here that have spent £400 on DAC/AMP's, etc, then £1000 on headphones, etc.

on board sound IMO is the worst you can get on a PC, if you value quality then it's always worth buying a dedicated sound card, the only time I wouldn't is if your using HDMI or optical out and ignore the analogue outputs.
 
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