Heel-toeing

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After getting over the initial weird feeling of rotating your foot at such an angle, I thought I'd give it a proper go.

Few questions though...

You put your toe on the brake pedal, rotate your foot to an almost 90º angle and put your heel on the loud pedal?

Do you blip the throttle or keep your foot lightly pressed to maintain the revs before lifting the clutch up?

Bit tricky to start off with, but I'm sure I'll get there in the end.

Cheers.
 
I've tried this recently, and can't get the hang of it at all. My brake pedal is much higher than the throttle pedal, and it just doesn't feel very 'natural'.
 
don't think you actually put heel on one pedal and toes on t'other. there was an 'improve your driving' freebie wi autocar a while back and they debunked that myth in there if my memory serves rightly.
 
Its toes on the brake just like normal but instead of resting heels on floor all the time just flick it onto the throttle to blip the revs when downchanging, returning to the floor position after blipping.

Lol at the thought of heeling the brakes, your toes have much better modulation than your heel. Your heel uses you legs rather than ankle and would be damn difficult to use to brake

Pretty easy with the pedal layout on a rover
 
i started by rolling my foot over from the accellerator onto the brake, but i've sync learned to rotate round the top of my foot on the brake, so i have decent control over the brake, and blip the throtle then change at the right revs :)

Can help at points, but most of the time it doesn't do much, just kinda started learning it so when i get round to tracking the car i can do it naturally!
 
Cheers for the help guys.

I have quite small feet (with comically large trainers I might add :p) but can't seem to get the hang of it... although I did only start trying it last night.

I can't seem to pivot my foot so that I can blip the throttle while keeping the brakes applied at the same pressure. My foot either lifts off the brakes slightly as I blip, or my foot rests on the throttle which makes the revs fly up :o

Once or twice I've also forgotten to press the clutch at the same time :rolleyes:
 
merlin said:
Heel & Toe will help you down change gear smoothly, and will avoid frying your clutch and stressing out engine mounts etc.

Ok, heel and toe - as simple as I can explain it :-

Left foot - stays on clutch. End of story.

Right foot :-

Let's imagine you're in 4th gear, coming up to a bend, you need to change down a gear to 3rd.

Come off the gas pedal
Move right foot onto brake and start braking
Press clutch in
Move gear from 4th to 3rd

DONT BRING CLUTCH UP

Instead:-

Keeping your toe on the brake, swivel your right foot so you can tap the gas pedal with the right side of the lower part of your foot - you wont be hitting it with your full heel, just the right side of your heel, and flick the revs up.

Do this - hit the gas and flick the revs up to match the engine speed you are going to get when you bring the clutch up and engage 3rd

Once the revs are up, bring clutch up.

That's a smooth change down - you've been braking all the time, and you've change gear, but because you've flicked the revs up before bring the clutch up - you've got the engine speed and transmission speed the same so the engine has not been lunging and rocking around in the engine bay or the clutch worn unnecessarily.

Search button NOOB! :p
 
merlin said:
you wont be hitting it with your full heel, just the right side of your heel, and flick the revs up.

I think this might be where you are struggling agw as it sounds like you are trying to rotate your foot too much.

As Merlin said you don't hit the gas with your full heel.

With my size 11's I have the ball of my foot on the brakes, foot at about 30 degrees and hit the gas with my right side of my foot just infront of my heel.
 
It depends massively on how your pedals are positioned in relation to each other - some cars just aren't suitable for this no matter how flexible your ankles are ;) In the RS I can do it by braking with my big toe and the pad below it and "rolling" my foot so that the outside of my foot (little toe, pad etc) blip the throttle. In other cars i can't do it at all because of the pedals being on a different level vertically or a different distance from the bulkhead.
 
Is this really going to allow you to drive any faster? It seems like a rather pointless excecise to me on a modern normal car.
 
Jez said:
Is this really going to allow you to drive any faster? It seems like a rather pointless excecise to me on a modern normal car.
I doubt it helps with speed but I think it gives much smoother downshifts when going for it.

I never do it on the road, I did for a while just to see if I could but my car and driving style wouldn't benefit from it at all.
 
It really depends how fast your driving. Even for fast road pace it's race you'll need it. Full out hardcore 100%, then yes. But for 99% of the time? Nah... Got more than enough time to brake normally and just blip the throttle on the gearchange.
 
Jez said:
Is this really going to allow you to drive any faster? It seems like a rather pointless excecise to me on a modern normal car.

it does help balancing a car into a corner if your driving on the edge... so most of the time no it won't make a difference, and worse that that if you muck it up your going to unbalance the car by either changing the braking to rapidly or slapping the clutch up at the wrong revs and losing traction....

having said that practicing it when your not at the edge will give you an advantage if you ever do get onto a track day and want to improve your times.
 
How does a smoother downchange actually help though? Even a 2.0 rover has enough power that down "fun" lanes etc its going to be more powerful and more capable than most people would be willing to risk.

edit: 2 more posts since i started typing! Maybe i am being cynical but i just cant see that its going to make any odds on dodgy english roads where its all bumpy and muddy and its almost impossible to "settle" a car anyway.
 
Jez said:
How does a smoother downchange actually help though? Even a 2.0 rover has enough power that down "fun" lanes etc its going to be more powerful and more capable than most people would be willing to risk.

edit: 2 more posts since i started typing! Maybe i am being cynical but i just cant see that its going to make any odds on dodgy english roads where its all bumpy and muddy and its almost impossible to "settle" a car anyway.


You dont get the jolt or shunt through the transmission which can unsettle things. But yeah its not really needed unless your racing.
 
The japanese track vids that have cameras in the footwell are good for demonstrating heel and toeing
 
Im not sure how accurate it is or if its the right thing to do but this is a guide type thing i found a few days ago about Heel Toe driving


From http://www.mr2mk1club.com/drivingtips.html
HEEL AND TOEING

When driving on-track and equally on the road there are always tips and tricks you can learn. Often mentioned but not always well understood is that of heel and toeing. Before I explain what it is I am going to mention the benefits and the reasons behind it. This technique is aimed at keeping the car on the smoothest possible transition from braking before the corner onto corner entry. It’s main aim is to help maintain the balance of the car whilst simultaneously allowing maximum braking.
What heel and toeing is, is essentially a ‘blip’ of the throttle to match engine revs whilst changing down a gear and braking. All at the same time of course! Sounds difficult, but with a bit of practice, not only do you get round corners more quickly, but you are also much kinder to your car’s gearbox, clutch and engine.
Probably the easiest way to explain it is to take you through a virtual corner. So here I am approaching Redgate at Donington. I’m in 4th gear at around 105mph or so. To take the corner I need to reduce my speed to 60mph and be in 3rd gear. I am still accelerating as I am approaching the corner. At the braking I put the brakes on very hard to slow down in as short a time as possible. Now timing is key to doing this well. As my speed drops just below 70mph I push the clutch down and change into 3rd before I let the clutch up, I roll my right foot (which is still on the brake) to ‘blip’ the throttle. This sends the engine revs up and as I let the clutch out the engine speed matches the road speed in that gear. Next I turn in to the corner and get back on the power easing the throttle on to balance the car for the exit of the corner. Two main advantages here; firstly the car hasn’t been unbalanced by me changing gear and braking. Secondly the net result is that I’m on the power earlier and everything is that much smoother.
So what happens if I don’t heel and toe? Well I enter the braking zone, brake hard, then as the speed drops I change down and as I let the clutch up the engine revs suddenly soar, which in turn unbalances the car as the rear goes light and I have to deal with all this before I turn into the corner!
A year ago at Bentwaters I experimented with not heel and toeing at a tight left hand corner. It was a second gear corner and I found that if I didn’t heel and toe I actually locked the rear wheels as the clutch came up!
So in effect when you heel and toe you are pressing the brake and accelerator at the same time. This is the trickiest bit by far, how to maintain consistent even braking and in the middle of it blip the throttle? As I described earlier, I like to roll the outside of my right foot onto the throttle. This is certainly the way to do it with the most feel. But if you have standard pedals in your MR2 then you may find the pedals too far apart to do this easily. I have a sexy Sparco pedal set in my car for good reason and that is to put the accelerator and brake closer together so that I can roll my (narrow) feet more easily.
If I’m driving a friends '2 I use the ‘other’ way. Literally use the ball of your feet to press the brake and kick the accelerator with your heel. It’s less easy to keep a constant pressure on the brake doing it this way, but it gives the same results as rolling your foot. It may be less exact but it works just as well.
One of the best things about heel and toeing is that you can practice it every time you drive your car on the road. Please remember though that the first few times you try it make sure no-one is in front of you. Try it at slow speeds on a quiet road. Cruise along in 4th then try the technique going into 3rd. Better still simply sit in your car and look at your right foot on the brake pedal see how you can push the brake and hit the throttle as you do it. Make sure that your foot is in no danger of slipping off the brake. I was practising this a few years ago and tried it approaching a roundabout. I wasn’t going overly fast but my foot slipped right off the brake and I had to get on the brakes pretty quick to stop in time! So be careful!
Lastly, in order to help heel and toeing, think about getting a pedal set. You can buy a funky Sparco Aluminium set for under £20! Make sure it is a ‘bolt on’ set and not one that clamps over the existing pedals. What you need to do is to take the rubbers off the brake and clutch and drill through the remaining metal pedal. Then it’s a matter of bolting the pedal cover to the pedal. Make sure that the brake pedal cover is absolutely secure. You don’t want this to come loose! The accelerator pedal is a pain on MK1s as it is plastic. Leave the rubber on and drill through the pedal and bolt the cover on. The accelerator pedal doesn’t come under anywhere near the strain of the brake so having it bolted on really tight is not crucial. But is should be secure. By law there is supposed to be 50mm between the brake and accelerator. It’s very much up to you if you keep to this. You’re unlikely to get prosecuted if they are closer than this distance and you would be pretty unlucky to fail an MOT because of it.
One last thing. To heel and toe well and to drive well, you need to have the maximum feel through the pedals as possible. A lot of people drive in trainers and while this may be comfortable, because of the thickness of the sole it literally robs you of feel and feedback through the pedals. Okay the clutch isn’t all that important but the accelerator and brake certainly are. Try to wear as thin soled shoes as possible. Best is of course racing boots as they are designed solely for this purpose. They do cost, but in my opinion they are worth it. Expect to pay around £30 or so for ‘clubman style boots’. If you want FIA approved nomex boots you are looking toward £60 +.
 
Jez said:
Is this really going to allow you to drive any faster? It seems like a rather pointless excecise to me on a modern normal car.

I think it would.

I blip the throttle on a downshift all the time (it's second nature now - been doing it since I was a learner). If i'm approaching a bend I have to brake, come off the brake, blip down, brake, off the brake again, blip down, etc.

This is quite unsmooth and also since I can't H&T I have to brake earlier so I can blip down the gears. If I could H&T I'd be able to brake later.

I've tried H&T just twice. First time I pressed the brake too hard and let up the clutch too early with too many revs. The second time I did it and it was near enough perfect but to be honest I don't really want to practise it on a public road.

But yeah, it's not necessary on the roads really, it just helps for smoothness or if you're giving it some.

As someone else said, you don't have to rotate your whole foot, well, sometimes you do and other times you don't. It depends on the layout of your pedals.

For example, in my friend 106 his pedals are so close together that he could use the left half of his foot for the brake pedal and the right half for the accelerator rather than twisting it round.
 
I cant seem to H&T properly, but I do blip the throttle on every gear change down, it makes a massive difference in my car, gear changes are very harsh otherwise.
 
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