Heinz 57 and Mongrels

SexyGreyFox · 30 Mar 2021 at 19:37

I've been meaning to make this thread for a long time ever since friends started paying massive amounts of money for Heinz 57/Mongrel dogs.

When I was younger, if a Labrador bonked a Poodle (or any combination) the resulting dog was worthless, it was regarded as a mongrel or round here a Heinz 57.
My mate recently paid £2000 for a Cockerpoo and he's the same age as me so knows it's a mongrel but still paid it because they look nice.

This is sickening so I apologise but I watched all episodes of the recent Pooch Perfect with Sheridan Smith and they even had a section on mongrels where the contestants had to guess the two breeds however these dogs were worth a fortune.

Am I just being old and missing the point or do you agree that people are now making money out of mugs?

ANDREW GREEN · 30 Mar 2021 at 19:44

Overbreeding is actually bad for the dog's medical health. Inbreeding through thoroughbred dogs have all kinds of medical issues. The 'Mongrel' is the healthier dog

robfosters · 30 Mar 2021 at 19:45

All breeds start out as Mongrels. Cockapoos are cross breeds that have been developed and recognised as a breed, so no, they are not mongrels

Dunners · 30 Mar 2021 at 19:55

I guess they need to invent these new ones as some of these traditional breeds have so many issue now...

Graetzbridge · 30 Mar 2021 at 19:57

robfosters said:
All breeds start out as Mongrels. Cockapoos are cross breeds that have been developed and recognised as a breed, so no, they are not mongrels

Yes. But I still wouldn't have one. I was brought up with collies for the most part. Intelligent and smart looking.

SexyGreyFox · 30 Mar 2021 at 19:57

ANDREW GREEN said:
The 'Mongrel' is the healthier dog

This is what I was always led to believe

robfosters said:
All breeds start out as Mongrels. Cockapoos are cross breeds that have been developed and recognised as a breed, so no, they are not mongrels

After watching Pooch Perfect it seems I can get any two dogs, give it a fancy name and sell it for big bucks.
Am I wrong and would my cross between a Chihuahua and a great Dane (Chidane) not be a proper expensive dog?

Malevolence · 30 Mar 2021 at 20:04

SexyGreyFox said:
Am I wrong and would my cross between a Chihuahua and a great Dane (Chidane) not be a proper expensive dog?

I don't know what would freak me out the most, a Great Dane with Chihuahua legs or a Chihuahua with the legs of a Great Dane.

200sols · 30 Mar 2021 at 20:04

I don't see why it is 'sickening'?

People spend obscene amounts of money on things, £2k on a dog is hardly outrageous. To many they are just like members of the family.

SexyGreyFox · 30 Mar 2021 at 20:11

200sols said:
I don't see why it is 'sickening'?

Me watching all episodes of Perfect Pooch

builder22 · 30 Mar 2021 at 20:11

Pooch Perfect would’ve been the better name

Involves dogs playing songs by ear etc

moon man · 30 Mar 2021 at 20:13

To me it's not the people paying 2k for dogs who are a problem but some of the scummy gumtree type sellers who don't have animal welfare on the top of their priority list

200sols · 30 Mar 2021 at 20:13

SexyGreyFox said:
Me watching all episodes of Perfect Pooch

Meh.

Funny thing is people moan that the pure breeds are unhealthy, unethical etc. Then when people start buying cross breeds those same people also start moaning 'they are too expensive'. Can't win it seems.

We need a regulated system regardless, too many chavs are breeding dogs with no care for the animal.

jsmoke · 30 Mar 2021 at 20:14

Definitely a lot of breeding going in, look at gumtree ads for example. Easy money to be made.

bainbridge · 30 Mar 2021 at 20:50

I agree about unscrupulous breeders knowingly breeding animals with known hereditary defects, maybe the trend for fashionable mongrels will edge out these doomed breeds with their hybrid vigour.

Mr.Cookie · 30 Mar 2021 at 21:07

All dogs are mongrels just the "pedigree" ones have history behind them.

Doberman is believed to be made up of Rottweiler, Black and Tan Terrier, Weimaraner, and German Pinscher and others.

Give it 50 years and the kcc will see they can monetise them and have them all as registered breeds

haaammit · 30 Mar 2021 at 21:55

robfosters said:
All breeds start out as Mongrels. Cockapoos are cross breeds that have been developed and recognised as a breed, so no, they are not mongrels

Currently Cockapoos are not recognised as a pedigree breed, so yes, at the moment they are mongrels (hybrid/crossbreed, so a mongrel in all but name)

Graetzbridge · 30 Mar 2021 at 21:55

Mr.Cookie said:
All dogs are mongrels just the "pedigree" ones have history behind them.

Is my collie a mongrel?

Mr.Cookie · 30 Mar 2021 at 21:58

Graetzbridge said:
Is my collie a mongrel?

Go back far enough yes.

So is my Weimaraner, Hungarian Vizla and Fox Red Lab.

Doesn't mean they're less for it.

Angilion · 30 Mar 2021 at 23:28

200sols said:
Meh.

Funny thing is people moan that the pure breeds are unhealthy, unethical etc. Then when people start buying cross breeds those same people also start moaning 'they are too expensive'. Can't win it seems.

We need a regulated system regardless, too many chavs are breeding dogs with no care for the animal.

That's to be expected when there's so much profit to be made due to the price that dogs of a fashionable breed can be sold for.

SexyGreyFox · 30 Mar 2021 at 23:39

Graetzbridge said:
Is my collie a mongrel?

If you watch Graeme Hall the Dogfather on Dogs Behaving Badly he gives a bit of a history with every dog he goes and 'cures'.
So yes they have all been bred with other dogs to make a certain type of dog that would be good at certain things.
Obviously as years go by they get adopted by the 'Dog Society' as pedigrees but as pointed out a Cockapoo is not a recognised pedigree but can still sell for ridiculous money.
It isn't the only mongrel that sells for a ridiculous amount either because some people have believed the hype.
A girl I work with wants a Labrapoo and I think that's £2500.