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Hello all,

I'm ready to begin folding now :D

I'm running Vista 64 on a Q6600 and will be using a 8800GTX too. I have a couple of questions about the type of clients that I should be using for providing maximum PPD. I would like to be able to stop and start the clients (both CPU & GPU) via batch files if possible so they would have be run as a service?

Also how stressful is FAH, for instance I can happily watch films and browse the net etc with prime95 running, but I can't with Intel Burn Test running, so just wondering whether I will be able to browse the net and watch films with FAH running on four cores?

Cheers

Giles
 
Welcome!

first things first, how long per day is the PC on? If its only on a few hours, you really need to be looking at the standard cpu client. It gives pretty poor points, but the deadlines are long and theres almost no risk of them not being completed! If your pc is on a good length of time per day (8hrs plus i think would be fine), the SMP client is the way to go. The windows SMP client is not officially supported as a service (or at least it wasnt when i had a go at running it), but im pretty sure it will run as one. It has the advantage of being multi threaded and is able to use all of the cores of a quad (albeit not hugely well). If you leave the pc on 24/7, you could try 2 SMP clients, although im pretty sure this is a little tricky, and is not how stanford would like you to run the client (their priority is getting the work units back ASAP... but this doesnt always get the most points!). Maximum ppd from the cpu will come from either a native linux install or from a couple of virtual machines running some flavour of linux, but these are not without their own disadvantages.

The GPU will crunch away endlessly without much effort/problems (at least in my experience). All you need for this is the current client, which i think is on the 'beta' page of the stanford client list still (its hugely stable despite this). There is a graphical client that minimises the client to the system tray when not open, which is quite convienient for stopping and starting, or a CMD window client depending on what your after. Im not sure about running this as a service, but the graphical client can be shut down by right clicking and selecting exit, or the CMD window based client simply by ctrl+c 'ing out of the window.

Also have a google for FahMon - a great tool for checking the clients.

FAH is pretty stressful on the system, but if you set all of the clients parametres to 'idle' you should be fine. If you run the SMP client, you need to set the gfx client to a slightly higher priority, else it will sit there doing nothing (there is an option for a 'low' setting in the client config). I use my pc for all sorts whilst running FAH - sometimes for films etc its better to manually change the priority of the media player to high using task manager to get smoother playback, but its not normally an issue. Its a similar story with the gpu client - with my 8800GT a few months ago, i set the client to use 80% of the gpu to make desktop + dvds smoother (again, a client config option), but i dont really need to do this on the new client with a GTX280. I think your milage may vary depending on setup/drivers etc, but i doubt you will have too many problems.

You may want to watch your overclocks, as FAH is pretty good at finding problems in this respect! Something like intel brun test/LinX gave me the best success for a folding OC (prime95 stable just wasnt stable enough).

Long post but i hope it helps! The initial setup is by far the hardest part, figuring out which clients/config is best suited to your machine/use of the PC. Its worth experimenting, but in the end everything helps. If you have any problems, people here are usually more than willing to help, and dont forget to post in the single machine crunchers list if your only using one machine!

EDIT: Appologies for the barrage of typos... i need to go to bed! :o
 
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Thanks for that :)

I had a stab at getting things going, I have tested stability using prime95 and Intel Burn Test, so hopefully I'm good to go. Currently I have my 8800GTX folding away flawlessly, estimated 5000PPD. However my CPU is a Q6600 at 3.7GHZ I'm running four SMP clients (one for each core hopefully :p) and they are being a bit slow, but I'll see what they say tomorrow.

My machine will be on 24/5 bar the old reboot etc, and on most of the weekends.

Edit:- What do I put for machine ID, I have set 1-5 for my four CPU cores and one GPU, is this correct? Lastly should I have enable scientific work units option (I did but wanted to check whether I should have?)

This is the control centre :p Does everything look ok? As the processes are running in 32bit when I downloaded and installed the 64bit :confused:



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Cheers :)
 
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You dont need to run 4 SMP clients. By the looks of things, you have just picked up four of the WUs for the regular basic CPU client (GROMACS is a core for the normal client - as far as i know, all SMP units have SMP in the core title). Those points are pretty good for bog standard WUs, but you would be better off using a single client (or two if your feeling lucky) and adding '-smp' (without the speechmarks) to the shortcut/batch file etc. This will start the client in SMP mode - without this flag, it will just pick up regular WUs and crunch away. When in SMP mode, each client will start 4 'Fah_Core_A1 processes' (or something very similar). Its probably best to wait until these current units have finished (at least from a science point of view) before changing the flags as this will kill the current WU(s). The '-oneunit' flag does what it says on the tin and shuts the client down after 1 WU. You may also want to use the '- verbosity 9' flag, which will give you a little more diagnostic output, although its not necessary.

Aside from that, great job so far! I'm sure a lot of people would admit to making the same mistake (i certainly did!) - as i said, getting the clients set up right is the hardest part!
 
Who really reads instructions!??! :D

No worries, glad to have you on the Team. Its pretty addictive mind... You'll be contemplating extra dedicated folders in no time!
 
The difference between FAH and the Intel Burn Test is priority. The Burn Test will run at Normal priority, which means it competes with all your other programs for the CPU and makes things slow. FAH will use your whole CPU, but it runs at Low priority, meaning that it will immediately give up the CPU if any other program needs it. This ensures that it'll never slow your system down.

Machine IDs are fine - the only thing to remember is that each client on a PC must have a different one. (Reusing them on a different PC is OK.)

Running a Windows SMP client would give you about 3000ppd on that CPU, but is generally a bit of extra hassle. Your current single-CPU clients are adding up to 2300ppd, so it depends how badly you want the points :p
 
Right now got one SMP client running, might give another a whirl tomorrow.

Anyone got any advice on running 1/2 SMP clients and a GPU client as services and through batch files?

I'm just having a play currently, once I have learnt to set it up properly I'm going to format and start afreash, then nothing can stand in my way :D
 
Quick question on my stats page it says only one active processor, is that because my CPU clients haven't completed any WUs yet and it's only picking up my GPU client?

Anyway with two SMP clients and one GPU client running I'm set for 8200PPD :)
 
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