Help! 20" -> 27" upgrade, which monitor?

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I have had 2x Dell Ultrasharp 2007WFP 20" monitors for the last 11 years and I am in desperate need of an upgrade.

I am quite fond of the Dell style so I am thinking of buying 1x 27" Dell, unless any one has a good case to get another brand! I really dislike the TN panels so I think sticking to an IPS panel is a must for me.

I mainly use my pc for surfing, movies and gaming. I play all sorts of games, mostly none demanding (don't starve together, age of empires III and recently...elite dangerous).

My GPU is a 960 GTX so I know I will prob need to upgrade that for a 1440p 27" which I am happy to do.

What are your thoughts? I have my eye on the UltraSharp UP2716D so around that sort of budget.

Thanks in advance.
 
I think your choice is pretty much spot on what I'd want from a 27" as well. Looks like a lovely all rounder with accurate colours and 'good enough' response times for anything but seriously competitive FPS games.

On the whole I find Dell screens to be excellent. Had 4 at home and 8 at work, and all are flawless, even though some are nearly 10 years old now ^^
 
I'd try and get gysnc model tbh. Gone freesync and sync and higher frefresh helps a lot, no lag smoother panning no need to use old style vsync @ 60hz. So even if new monitor is the same Res it'll be smoother and it'll be higher FPS/Hz too
 
I went from Dell Ultrasharp 2407WFP to Dell Ultrasharp U2715H and think that's the perfect upgrade path.

I had a GTX 780 which actually worked fine for most games. I did end up getting a GTX 1080 anyway for PUBG.
 
Thanks for the replies. With regards to the gsync, which model would you recommend? Would this only help with FPS gaming (I rarely play these). I also don't notice any lag with my current old 60Hz monitors, maybe my eyes are just old or I haven't know any better :D

With regards to the U2715H billysielu, I was looking at that initially and prefer the stand. I think on paper it is very similar to the UP2716D but just an older model?
 
fobose said:
Thanks for the replies. With regards to the gsync, which model would you recommend? Would this only help with FPS gaming (I rarely play these). I also don't notice any lag with my current old 60Hz monitors, maybe my eyes are just old or I haven't know any better :D

With regards to the U2715H billysielu, I was looking at that initially and prefer the stand. I think on paper it is very similar to the UP2716D but just an older model?
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Honestly I think that with g-sync you are investing a lot of money in something that you would be perfectly happy without. Are you ever aware of stutter in your games? If you are then g-sync is an option, but g-sync doesn't eliminate stutter it just reduces it and it may or may not help in the games you play, depending exactly which those games are.
 
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Honestly I think that with g-sync you are investing a lot of money in something that you would be perfectly happy without. Are you ever aware of stutter in your games? If you are then g-sync is an option, but g-sync doesn't eliminate stutter it just reduces it and it may or may not help in the games you play, depending exactly which those games are.
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They advertise it as eliminating tearing and stutter no?
 
Yup, eliminates tearing completely for me meaning no need for vsync etc meaning better response time.

Personally I was over the moon when I switched to a G-Sync monitor. If you have the funds available I'd definitely recommend it.
 
The price is very appealing on the U2715H. I am sure it was £499.99 yesterday! If only it had the USB ports on the side of the monitor :(
 
Rofflay said:
They advertise it as eliminating tearing and stutter no?
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For reasons that baffle me, tearing is far worse when you exceed the maximum refresh rate of the monitor, so you can eliminate the worst tearing simply capping the framerate of you graphics card to the refresh of the monitor. Utilities like RivaTunerStatistics can do that. Also you can switch on V-Sync, which will eliminate tearing completely. V-Sync, though, needs you to maintain the refresh rate of the monitor. If you have a powerful graphics card that's pretty easy, but if you don't and your framerate drops below the refresh rate of the monitor you may see a stutter. G-Sync eliminates that stutter. But having said that if there is a sudden severe drop in framerate then you will see a stutter even with G-Sync. So G-Sync is great, but it doesn't solve everything, and it is expensive at the moment. With a 144Hz monitor you are very ulikely to go above the refresh rate so tearing isn't really an issue ( and what tears there are are smaller ). It's best to disable V-Sync, then you don't get V-Sync stutter at all, and really G-Sync is less important than it is for a 60Hz monitor. So I would always say to people that if you can't afford everything, a higher refresh rate is better than G-Sync. But if you are in the market for a top of the line monitor, then yes, by all means get G-Sync.
 
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Pocah said:
For reasons that baffle me, tearing is far worse when you exceed the maximum refresh rate of the monitor, so you can eliminate the worst tearing simply capping the framerate of you graphics card to the refresh of the monitor. Utilities like RivaTunerStatistics can do that. Also you can switch on V-Sync, which will eliminate tearing completely. V-Sync, though, needs you to maintain the refresh rate of the monitor. If you have a powerful graphics card that's pretty easy, but if you don't and your framerate drops below the refresh rate of the monitor you may see a stutter. G-Sync eliminates that stutter. But having said that if there is a sudden severe drop in framerate then you will see a stutter even with G-Sync. So G-Sync is great, but it doesn't solve everything, and it is expensive at the moment. With a 144Hz monitor you are very ulikely to go above the refresh rate so tearing isn't really an issue ( and what tears there are are smaller ). It's best to disable V-Sync, then you don't get V-Sync stutter at all, and really G-Sync is less important than it is for a 60Hz monitor. So I would always say to people that if you can't afford everything, a higher refresh rate is better than G-Sync. But if you are in the market for a top of the line monitor, then yes, by all means get G-Sync.
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I had last night with one PG258Q capped at 237fps on 240hz and tearing bothered me and you still feel low fps but man did Hearthstone and Diablo 3 look good. Some games like Overwatch also run amazing i can actually run downsampling AND 240hz so i was having a game at 3840x2160 at 175fps and it felt really good.

But CSGO still runs poo like it did before. Some games just run bad but op should think about high refresh sync technology for all games. The only other monitor i can think off is the Dell 24 inch 1440 model that does 165hz for me its the best 2007upgrade but would mean a sacrifice of ips for tn. And you dislike TN but it will be kind on the eye to have the most hertz too.
 
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Yup I think I will be leaving the G-Sync monitors for the time being. I have another question now though.

I am reluctant to give up my second monitor and I don't think I want to be switching between a nice new 27" and a decade old 20" monitor. I am now in the pipeline for a new second monitor but 27" will be over kill. What size monitor would be best next to it (probably in portrait orientation)? It will be used for web browsing/messenger apps and emails only!

Thanks!
 
I have the old Dell UltraSharp 2407WFP next to mine. It's debatable which one looks better tbh.
My main bit of feedback about it, is that it's handy to have a smaller res monitor for playing some videos on (youtube/twitch/etc) - where the quality looks naff when stretched out to 1440p, but it looks fine at 1080p.
 
The UltraSharp UP2716D is on its way to me now :O Mind you, my missus has bought it for my bday in March so no doubt have to test it and then pack it up again :(

What does the 2407WFP look like next to your 27"? Do you have it portrait? Could you post a pic so I could see what it looks like?
 
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Thanks for that! That looks pretty good actually in landscape. I think a 24" in portrait next to the 27" would not look right at all.
 
No, they do look very tall and slender turned sideways... But once you get used to it, maybe useful if you have things like chat channels open while gaming, or documents you refer to while working? Used to have a colleague who swore by working on a portrait screen xD

(I have the same 2407 model - still works fine, but gets really hot compared to modern LED units. No such thing as BLB though :p)
 
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