Help me choose a remap thread

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Im having some difficulty choosing what company to get my remap done with.

I've asked on the VXR forums, but because these sorts of threads always errupt into tuner wars with people defending their favoured tunrers (and quite often the tuners themselves post as well, which means anything negative gets argued with), getting inpartial and sensible answers is difficult. So im hoping OcUK can step in to provide some impartial advice.

So anyway here's the alternatives

Option 1) Thorney Motorsport

http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/tuning/Vectra_VXR_Performance.shtml

Price is £400 for the remap and £75 for dyno time to customize the map to suit your particular engine.

Sold by thorney, its actually a superchips remap. Almost the same as the superchips one, but with a few tweaks requested by thorney. The product was a joint development.

They offer a 3 year warranty on their tune, and have a nice tie in with vauxhall, which means that if anything fails in your engine bay, either vauxhall pay or thorney pay, so you dont loose your manufacturers warranty as one of the two parties will pick up the bill.

Bad sides ? well its superchips which dont have the best of names. And recently somebody on the VXR forums had an issue with misfire whilst on the remap. Not present without it. They spent ages replacing parts etc.. till somebody from courtenay pointed out you need to check the gapping on the plugs ..

Option 2

Courtenay sport.

http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewDoc&docId=87

A full £100 more expensive than thorney, and not actualy offering any extra power. In fact the cars with highest torque figures (420 lb +) have come from thorney. They only offer a 1 year warranty, and there is no set procedure in place for vauxhall to refer to if they receive one of their cars in for work. Unless you've got a very sympathetic dealer, expect to be told to get on yer bike.

But, they were the tuner that spotted the plug gapping issue straight away. so seem to be more knowledgable. But out of all the people on the forum that have remaps from thorney (most) nobody else had any issues so make of this what you will.

bottom line

1) better warranty, cheaper, potentially dubious knowledge about the product if it doesnt go as planned

2) not as good warranty, more expensive, but potentially better after sales. Same end result, possibly not as good as option 1.

Any idea how to choose ? because im damned if i can :S
 
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Thorney if only for the warranty peace of mind, I guess - plus it's £100 cheaper. I'm sure it'll be fine either way to be honest :)
 
[TW]Fox;14155753 said:
You had enough trouble putting the power down at the RR day with what you've got are you sure more is a good idea? :p

He didn't have any issues putting the power down really. You'd know this if you didn't chicken out and actually went for a ride :p
 
[TW]Fox;14155837 said:
We all heard the wheelspins for miles up the road :p

That was him trying to see how fast he could go around the roundabout ;) When it's picking up speed it has no issue transferring it to the tarmac :)
 
That was him trying to see how fast he could go around the roundabout ;) When it's picking up speed it has no issue transferring it to the tarmac :)

while moving it wont be a problem but everytime he pulled away he deffo had issues getting the power down. ;)
 
Give Motorsport Developments, Blackpool, a ring and see if they do a live mapping service for your car:-

http://www.motorsport-developments.co.uk/

I've had four cars done there and been very happy with the results. They also helped me dial in the spark map for my Pinto, which pushed 182bhp later on the colleges rollers.
 
that was down to pure hooliganism flooring it away from a standstill :D

what car wont light the tyres up with wheelspin if you put your foot flat the floor.
 
thats pushing it slightly isnt it ?

so you can do a 0-60 run by putting your foot flat to the floor on the accelerator from a standing start with zero wheelspin ? and no throttle modulation ?

if it was that easy, why does everybody comment on having to manage wheelspin for doing 0-60 runs in the G meter thread ?

Give Motorsport Developments, Blackpool, a ring and see if they do a live mapping service for your car:-

http://www.motorsport-developments.co.uk/

I've had four cars done there and been very happy with the results. They also helped me dial in the spark map for my Pinto, which pushed 182bhp later on the colleges rollers.


im going to stick to a respected vauxhall tuner. The vectra's ECU is renowned for being tempremental and difficult to map. There arent many about (less than a thousand) so most tuners will never have come across one. People on the VXR forums have tried this, the tuners have said "yeah we'll have a go" and because they've no experience of this particular model ending up knackering the ECU and requiring a dealer to chragably reflash it.
 
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Courtenay without a question.

I know of so many horror stories about TMS! Just check out some of the discussion of their work on the VXR forums.
 
im going to stick to a respected vauxhall tuner. The vectra's ECU is renowned for being tempremental and difficult to map. There arent many about (less than a thousand) so most tuners will never have come across one. People on the VXR forums have tried this, the tuners have said "yeah we'll have a go" and because they've no experience of this particular model ending up knackering the ECU and requiring a dealer to chragably reflash it.

Your choice but you should read some of Stu's article on tuning. He's a technical genius and he DESIGNED his own water injection, closed loop control, ECU chips (not simply reflash existing Superchips). I bet he's tuned more Vauxhalls than Courtney.
 
bet without launch control it would be a different story ;)

Its not toooooo bad although I havn't actually tried using high revs (no point as using launch control is quicker). My tyres (Pirelli P Zero Rosso - about 2 weeks old) seem to just grip and grip.

Anyway, sorry for the off tangent reply.

In regard to your actual thread question, personally I would take option 1. The warranty back up is what interests me the most. Whilst there could be the possibility of issues at least they should be covered by the warranty.
 
Courtenay without a question.

I know of so many horror stories about TMS! Just check out some of the discussion of their work on the VXR forums.

yes, and thats half my problem

Theres so much bias on there. As soon as somebody critices one tuner, another group of fans pounce and then arguments ensue.

Funny thing is, speak to housey and the BMW crew love thorney
 
Your choice but you should read some of Stu's article on tuning. He's a technical genius and he DESIGNED his own water injection, closed loop control, ECU chips (not simply reflash existing Superchips). I bet he's tuned more Vauxhalls than Courtney.

how many vectras has he tuned though ?

the 2.8 Z28NET is only found in the vectra and due to its odd combination (crappy brand name with relative high power level) isnt very popular.
 
The point being no one ever has a bad word to say about Courtenays, they really know what they're doing.

The really highly respected tuners in Europe such as EDS and Klasen find the stuff Thorney says hilarious.

I'm sure he'll get found out on the BMW side of things soon, it's not car specific, it's just spin and PR on top of not a great deal else.

DD (Klasen) and Arno (EDS) - Who generally hate each other but agreed on this.

DD:
Absolute imbecility, what this John Thorne writes there!!!
The guy is technical the absolute rivets, but writes all day long in the English forum and makes the people crazy, realy crazy!!!
Simply read the rest of the site and just laugh at the power upgrades and concerning the cars, which he sells as special edition. Vauxhall even extracted the license he got to use the VXR Logo on his site because of engines that went pop and then wanted to let it run over the warranty.
The software comes from Superchips

Arno:

@DD: for this you have my agreement for 100%
Who wants to hear the death cry of a Z16LER engine, should show the alleged proof video of a Multimeterossilloskop, that the injectors are already fully open at 4500RPM!!
They drive on the superchipdyno fully against the eddy current brake without sufficient ventilation and starting from 6000RPM the engine knocks itself nearly to DEATH!!
Besides, the Corsa OPC injectors have according to my measurement 395ccm/min. at 3.3 bar and should be good for min. 280-290hp!!
A Scharlatan of first rank this gentleman from the UK!!

DD:

@Arno: At exactly 395cc I came, that's more than enough to get 280hp at that pressure.
According to what he wrote on the HP Thorne has the best test stand with the largest blower, but the test stand is only a Dynodynamics with the small Coladosen rolers and the blowers are the absolute joke. No miracle that the engines without cooling are received there.
The guy does not have a clue about duration of injection and possible max. injector time in function of the number of revolutions. Looks like he doesn't have much work, otherwise he couldn't write so elendig long novels on his HP.
Rarely read as much garbage at one time, the guy was in his earlier occupation not in vain a PR-manager.
I would say, he's full of ****...
 
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