Help me choose a remap thread

amigafan2003 said:
Your choice but you should read some of Stu's article on tuning. He's a technical genius and he DESIGNED his own water injection, closed loop control, ECU chips (not simply reflash existing Superchips). I bet he's tuned more Vauxhalls than Courtney.
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Tuned more Vauxhalls than Courtenays have in 25 years as a Vauxhall specialist???
 
but they're £100 more and potentially actually lower in resulting torque output.

Paying more for less is a bitter pill to swallow when so many have had good experiences with TMS vectra maps.

Its a question of "do you want to chance it?" as if you dont have problems (like most of the owners) then you've got yourself a bargain . But if you're one of the unlucky few who have problems ..

I just dont know what to do, especially as Thorney have a stage 2 remap written especially for the milltek exhaust.

Ive not got involved in the Corsa Saga too much, but much of the problem wasnt with thorney themselves, just their "proof" that regals corsa was tuned too much to make it reliable and it was there fault that cars were melting piston 4.

That was where those comments came from. The issue was him claiming that the EDS tune provided by Regal was at fault. Not any direct criticism of the thorney/superchips map.
 
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MrLOL said:
but they're £100 more and potentially actually lower in resulting torque output.

Paying more for less is a bitter pill to swallow when so many have had good experiences with TMS vectra maps.

Its a question of "do you want to chance it?" as if you dont have problems (like most of the owners) then you've got yourself a bargain . But if you're one of the unlucky few who have problems ..

I just dont know what to do, especially as Thorney have a stage 2 remap written especially for the milltek exhaust.

Ive not got involved in the Corsa Saga too much, but much of the problem wasnt with thorney themselves, just their "proof" that regals corsa was tuned too much to make it reliable and it was there fault that cars were melting piston 4.

That was where those comments came from. The issue was him claiming that the EDS tune provided by Regal was at fault. Not any direct criticism of the thorney/superchips map.
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Courtenays figures are always quoted as a minimum so when owners have their cars RR'ed elsewhere afterwards they are always pleasantly surprised. There's also a question of whether you believe the dyno, how driveable it is and how safe the map is.

The Corsa thread wasn't about, the inference is they just talk a load of rubbish. It's just wrong.
 
the dyno remap chart is not a quoted "minimum" figure. It belongs to somebody on the forum and its the actual results they achieved.
 
the main difference between those two plots is the thorney one appears to spike the torque up which it holds onto for marginally longer up the rev range, hence the slightly higher bhp figure.

the difference is marginal, ie the sort of difference youd expect to see going from one dyno to the next.

of the two plots, the courtney one looks like the more civilised usable power delivery. it doesnt spike up so badly. the thornley one looks almost verticle between 2k-3krpm, which will make it feel "nippy" (20vt) style and give spectacular wheel spin and the tyres dont know what to do with the arrival of the massive torque.

so given there is almost nothing in it between the output figures, id be inclined to go for courtney based on the torque plot looking to be more useful. looking at the thorney one, it looks like a massive rush of torque followed by exactly the same drop off as courtney. the courtney one is better before the spike... so id go for courtney
 
If they are putting a standard remap on your car... believe it or not most of the time the map files all come from the same place....
 
Courtenays maps come from Klassen in germany

Thorneys come from Superchips in the UK.

they arent from the same place. The other map going round for the Vectra is the one used by 888 - EDS in germany. And as muncher said, EDS and Klassen have a bitter rivalry. They most certainly arent all the same :)
 
Despite the bad reputation, I would go with the guys who are warrentied, because even if the chances they mess up are higher, its insured
 
MrLOL said:
Funny thing is, speak to housey and the BMW crew love thorney
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I wouldn't go that far, I think John had his disenters too in the BMW fold but like most of these things it often stems from other 'camps' and should not be taken as bible. Thorney at least posts on every forum as himself, same can't be said for many of his competition. Tuners are a funny lot but good ones will let you try before you buy but they all have a business to run so will never be fully impartial. The fact is that when cars and other captial goods are concerned pragmatism and objectiveness rarely prevails and often remains hidded, not least when it comes to performance and pub rites. Thorney is one of many tuners and as a bloke has always struck me as a good sort, but he's only ever provided burgers to me!
 
Thorney Motorsport I would say, basedon what you have said.

And I can confirm that 'most' of the tyre shrieking at the RR day was in-fact MrLOL trying to get around that round-about as fast as possible.

Whatever I do with my ST, it doesn't shriek like your VXR does though, mind you I haven't actually tried to go around a road-about 'that' fast, I've had it chirping many times but not screaming for mercy, the handling has quite a bit more 'finesse' though, dare I say :) ...or it felt like it from where I was sitting.
 
Muncher said:
Courtenay without a question.

I know of so many horror stories about TMS! Just check out some of the discussion of their work on the VXR forums.
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Matt82 said:
the main difference between those two plots is the thorney one appears to spike the torque up which it holds onto for marginally longer up the rev range, hence the slightly higher bhp figure.

the difference is marginal, ie the sort of difference youd expect to see going from one dyno to the next.

of the two plots, the courtney one looks like the more civilised usable power delivery. it doesnt spike up so badly. the thornley one looks almost verticle between 2k-3krpm, which will make it feel "nippy" (20vt) style and give spectacular wheel spin and the tyres dont know what to do with the arrival of the massive torque.

so given there is almost nothing in it between the output figures, id be inclined to go for courtney based on the torque plot looking to be more useful. looking at the thorney one, it looks like a massive rush of torque followed by exactly the same drop off as courtney. the courtney one is better before the spike... so id go for courtney
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lordrobs said:
Based on those plots I'd go for Courtenay
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well after having a long hard think, im going to ring and book courtenays today

One of the reasons is that the thorney warranty is 3 years, 60k miles or the remaining period of your manufacturer warranty .. whichever is least. Ive only got 6 months warranty left, so thats what they match.

Not quite the sparkling 3 year warranty they keep banging on about.

So with that, and also that i'll probably be in safer hands at courtenays. Im going to book today.

300bhp and 400+ lb/ft of torque here we come :D
 
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