Help me decide - Job related

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so I'm stuck here, help me make my mind up!

job 1 - current

been here for two years, happy with the team, but there's very little to work towards for the past 8ish months, in a sense that I'm doing day-to-day tasks - BAU.

the problem with that is that my colleagues from the same team who are worse/less experienced on the main client platform do "Fun" stuff, new projects, different clients etc basically, different things everyday where I am sitting here "grinding" and getting demotivated.

so the cons -;

underpaid by around 10k - IMO a massive amount
little to work towards, hard to motivate my self and keep my productivity up.

pros -;

stable, in a sense that I've already been here a while and there's no reason why I would randomly lose my position.
2k+ training budget(great thing for me and my future)

new place -;

new tools, new people, new projects and different "side" of my role if that makes sense, I'd learn a lot there too, gain more experience and get to do more "fun" stuff.

so the pro's

pay-rise with a review after probation - still under market rate but getting there
new tools/things to learn
boss is a guy I know and someone I liked working with before
easier/more chance of promotion.

cons -;

probation period(ah can't be without income at this moment)
others might not like me
less secure for the first 3 months

so I went with the new one, accepted the offer, handed in my notice and then I got a meeting arranged with head of the company by talent team, who offered me a counter offer but he wants to know how much I'd be getting paid in the new place, which is reasonable except that it's hard to say due to pay review after probation..

question is, if I was to get paid the market rate which is around 10k+ over my current salary with a documented promise to allow me to work on projects and share the BAU work-load with others, would you accept the counter offer?

reading online it sounds like everyone is very much against it, is it really such a bad decision? help me make my mind up guys!

Thanks
 
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I'd take the new job. It sounds more interesting and the pay is better. Your probation will have terms attached to it so make sure you read these to alleviate (or make yourself aware of) any concerns.
 
Take the new one, wouldn't worry about probation unless the terms were unreasonable or you think you might be out of your depth.
 
You decided to quit for a reason. Personally I'd lie about the new salary, see what the counter-offer is, and stay where you are (assuming they match the made up offer) with an intention to leave in a year having pushed for a change in job title to make it changing jobs easier.
 
Sounds like a no-brainer to me, take the new job!

If you've been honest and upfront with the interviewers about your skills then I wouldn't worry about the probation period, they'll know what to expect from you.
 
The only caveat on the skills/probation advice is that sometimes that is not important to whether you remain employed. Company or department restructures, new CEO's, change in company strategy can all have an affect which bear no relation to an employee's skills but can absolutely impact on their continuing employment.

That also goes for the OP's present company so it's perhaps a moot point.
 
Should have had the salary/promotion discussion (either instigated by yourself or by your manager) before handing in the notice. Too late now, I'd stick with the new role.
 
[FnG]magnolia;27166401 said:
It's not too late :confused: The notice has made a counter offer appear.
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I meant psychologically. Once I've handed a notice in I'm already out the door.

If I wasn't getting market rate I'd want to know why and would know that before the notice has been handed in.
 
I've never experienced it but I wouldn't want to work for someone who only decides to do something about their employees after a notice has been handed in. They should have picked up on it beforehand. I guess it's easy for me to say as I'm not in the OP's shoes.
 
Yeah I'm still leaning towards the new one, unless the counter offer is to hard to pass.

Caged said:
You decided to quit for a reason. Personally I'd lie about the new salary, see what the counter-offer is, and stay where you are (assuming they match the made up offer) with an intention to leave in a year having pushed for a change in job title to make it changing jobs easier.
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totally, I have raised the point about me not being happy while on BAU full time etc but nothing has changed and from what people told me it never reached the people responsible?!

my goal is to get paid the market rate and share the BAU load with the rest of team, which is more than possible but obviously no one wants it after seeing me sit there alone in the office from 8 am till 11:30pm.. !

I was thinking of suggesting the market rate, hoping that they match it or get very close to it and then use up my training budget to get some certs in - which would add 10-15k to my "price" and at my age it would be a big thing, I might not have the "fun" factor but over a longer period I'll be more employable and certified on the things I want to focus.

when it comes to me asking for a raise/promotion before handing in the notice, I did mention it and was told "not yet" I guess the notice pushed it over the edge.

I know why they are offering the counter offer, simply put, to replace me they will need to pay the market rate one way or another, no one on my wage will do the job I do and take the responsibilities, plus that particular client is on the "Edge" and at this moment only I have the full set of skills/knowledge to support it.
 
Why aren't you being offered the market rate in the new role?

If you are staying *just* for the money, rather than anything else, then that's the wrong reason to stay. If you *like* the job, you're just not being paid enough, then that's something else.
 
Are you sure what you think is the 'market rate' is actually the market rate? If so I'd be wondering why you're not getting it at the new job?
 
As I've said the pay will soon be raised at the new place, its just for my trial period, due to the way I got into this career :) so they're basically trialling me on a lower rate with a review soon after probation - odd deal I know.. :) current place would, I think, workout better in the long term due to certs.
 
A payrise immediately after probation is not going to happen unless it is specified in your contract with clear criteria that you need to meet in order to get it. If they're not prepared to do that then I wouldn't hold out any hope of them reviewing it at all.
 
New place.

Even at the old place with the training budget you could just pay for that yourself with your increased wage. You owe no one anything then and no contracts tied into the fact that you've had training paid for either.

Plus it should be a case of you being offered more as and when you deserve it, not as and when you hand a notice in.
 
Tell your current company higher than you're being offered and see if they accept it. Stability at same rate would certainly be more suitable correct?

Some employers will only offer pay rises on the way out. Why pay more for an employee unless you have to(horrible but it's true in a lot of cases).Completely unrelated job but when I was working in nightclubs I "quit" 4 times and ended up with a 2.5x increase from minimum salary.
 
Changing pay after a probation period is weird as well. The whole point of a probation period is an unofficial way to ensure that you aren't stuck with employees who aren't up to scratch, but I'm not sure there is any legal definition of a probation.

The idea of re-assessing what you are worth after you have done a few months of work for them is just a way of ensuring you keep working towards a carrot that will never come. There will always be an excuse to not pay you the previously mentioned amount. If they aren't prepared to put into writing the salary you can expect, and what is required from you to get to that number then they are just stringing you along.
 
how hard was it to get this new job offer?

Problem you may have if you're underpaid is that the new place can still poach you while low balling you relative to the market. One solution to this is to job hop again after a year at the new place... but job hopping too much can put off companies...

If the new offer is a bit fuzzy then perhaps just make up a figure.. i.e. the 10k you think you're worth... if your company offers you that then stick around for a bit and look for new roles (HR knows most people who accept counter offers leave within a year anyway so don't worry - they're partially expecting it). When you're looking at new roles you're now a guy earning 10k more than you were before... your new offers to entice you away now come in a bit higher.

Seriously a lot of employers are lazy, don't know how to price people and price people based on their previous salary... if you can boost your salary overnight at your current place significantly then I'd be inclined to say do that then look again for a new role at an even higher rate.
 
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