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Help me to choose a right CPU

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I have an old system. Essential components are

i5 4670K
P8Z77 Deluxe
Corsair H60 AIO cooler
Corsair HX 850
Corsair Vengeance 1333 2 x 4GB
660 Ti

I play Battlefield V, For Honour, Final Fantasy XV and Company of Heroes II. Very slow all of these titles and never manage to get 60+ FPS.

I want to have a completely new system. Now which CPU should I be getting? Hopefully, the new system will be able to handle Cyberpunk 2077 at at least Very High settings along with all the above mentioned titles.

Have used AMD CPUs before and not very great experience so AMD needs not apply.

Thanks!
 
I'm so sorry replying late, been down town to check out some case fans for the new build.


BIG THANKS to all of you replying so swiftly and with many relevant opinions, suggestions and advice. They are all very useful and constructive especially for those that resonate in my mind. Truly appreciate!!


It's been 3 months since I started researching and updating myself on the latest. My budget is basically dependent on what is good for the next 5 years. More importantly, some components which provides important resources like the motherboard, RAM kits and today's NVMe SSD are prioritized to a slightly bigger portions of the budget. Also, those components which have a longer life span will be allocated with a bit more dollars as well. Contrast to those, expendable items like the case and case fans should be as lowest costs as possible. To me, the concept about a case is just a framed box that contains the whole system and it's pretty much stationery in the sense that it won't be ported from one place to another like in a LAN party that very often. And as you are well aware that case fans wear off pretty fast so I would expect replacement every two years or so. Further to that, getting a cheaper case will make dumping it later less of a waste of money. As to the PSU, it's the most critical part of the whole system and I intend to spend on something which has 10 years or at least 7 years warranty. Coolers is essential and I wish to get a decent AIO LCS something which assembles the H60 that has a life span of 5 years or so would be sufficient. In 5 years time, the whole rig should be quite outdated assuming most of the caps are melted down and either the Intel or the AMD chipset would have depreciated by so much that the overall productivity is pretty much 30% gone leaving a rather crippled and unstable piece of junk.


But I want to start with the right CPU first. Now you folks have almost convinced me about AMD. I do notice that AMD is getting very popular and positive comments keep popping up here and there, sort of all over the place. Even PS5 is going to deploy AMD Ryzen 3 upper class CPU and the Navi GPU and that I am curious; wanting to know if Navi has anything to do with AMD. I mention PS5 is because that is an implication which basically says future games will most probably follow the 8 core 16 threads architecture. Whether they initiate multi-threading or not (which I have seen 8700K gives no difference in both modes), these games are going to consume more power delivered by 8c16t operations and will be ported to the PC and PCs which are not up to the performance of 8c16t will be left without a chair when the music stops. If that is the trend, then choosing AMD at the present moment is no doubt, the most intelligent choice. The forward and backward compatibility of AMD CPUs and AM4 motherboards are also a great selling point from AMD. These merits are evident in many youtube vidoes that I've watched. However, with AMD systems, there are many issues to get sorted and need to be dealt with. Recently, I spotted an issue related to an AMD based build https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ryzen-3700x-new-build-problem.3529260/page-2#post-21359291. I want to have a system which is "Good to go" once launched. A good example is like iPhone, it's all ready to go right out of the box. I don't like patching. Same case with Windows. Fixes and Updates every now and then. Back to AMD, playing around with motherboards' BIOS is a daunting experience. Intel offers a more convenient way to overclock and is trouble-free comparing to AMD. I enjoy spending time and effort to build a new system, but once that's done, I really don't want to get down to the nitty-gritty of trouble shooting BIOS issues, CPU issues or motherboard issues. In the above incident, JayzTwoCents discovered flashing the BIOS actually spoiled the original build which is something really irritating. Having said all that, IF a particular model of AMD is both stable and well established, I will certainly consider given their upgradability really is there.


Some of you has pointed out an upgrade to a better GPU is a great idea also. That is something I have not really realized so far. But here are my worries, RX 5500 is coming up and it is using PICe 4.0 and that is only available on X570 at the present moment. And my current system only supports PCIe 2.0, even I get an RX 590, it's not going to be fully utilized. So just upgrading the GPU is nonetheless a choice but it would be like baking a half-done cake. To make it clearer, do I get a 2060 now and dump it when RX 5500 comes out or get a RX 590 and wait for the RX 5500? Whichever way, that intermittent solution is going to be wasted. That's why I said in the beginning the budget is dependent on what is good.


I read through all of you folks responses and come up with an idea, which I don't know if it is good nor not: get a 1600X or i3 8100 and their compatible motherboards, put the best 1660 Ti in it, hook them up with a new 850W PSU, plug in some nice RAM kits and a lightning fast NVMe SSD, wrap it up with a very cheap case with 5 sides mesh(if there is one) and call that a day. I did watch a video where an 1600X coupled with a 2080 which makes Assassin Creed Odyssey running with 90+ FPS! Some of you are right on that, the CPU is less contributing in modern games than the GPU is. But on second thought, a slower CPU will cause longer loading time, is that correct?


Your opinions, suggestions and advices...
 
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First of all your system specs are not correct; you've listed an Ivy bridge motherboard with a Haswell CPU, the two do not work together so one of those is wrong. ;)
Sorry cut-and-past error, it's the 2550K.

As some of the other guys have said, concentrate on your GPU first. You have not mentioned what resolution/frequency you will be gaming at which is key. Get the best GPU you can justify spending on for the particular resolution/frequency you want to game at.
It would also be a good idea to change your CPU/motherboard/RAM around now as good deals can be had for very good hardware that will last you for years.
My LCD is a cheap BenQ and I intend to keep it. So 1080 gaming is really what will suffice my needs.

I think what will future proof me is the motherboard. A good motherboard should allow me to upgrade the CPU later though maybe after the 10 gen release, the 9900K will be vanishing in a year or two.

So I m coming up with the followings:

AMD system:
Ryzen 5 3400G
Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming
Wraith Spire stock cooler
Corsair Vengeance LPX (Black) 3000Mhz CS15 2 x 8GB (low profile without RGB)

Please recommend NVMe 1GB stick
Corsair RMx 850W
ASUS Dual GeForce® GTX 1660 Ti OC edition 6GB GDDR6

Please recommend a cheap case

Intel system
Core i3-9100F
Asus ROG Strix B365-F
Corsair H60 (2018) AIO LCS
Corsair Vengeance LPX (Black) 3000Mhz CS15 2 x 8GB (low profile without RGB)

Please recommend NVMe 1GB stick
Corsair RMx 850W
ASUS Dual GeForce® GTX 1660 Ti OC edition 6GB GDDR6
Please recommend a cheap case



Aha it was you......:p

Yeah. Even PDX games are coming out with more core usage to do background stuff.
Others might plan to use Intel Embree like WOT does. And here more cores are used to do hybrid Ray Tracing without the need of dedicated ray tracing CPU to do the job.
(quad cores here are completely crippled to death and even 8700K/9900K are getting beaten by the 3900X due to sheer number of cores)

And also are games like X4 which is using 10 cores (cores not threads) today with the 2.6 patch, with upcoming support to 16 core with 3.0.
That allows for more realistic world, better calculations and ofc true realistic economy this game brought. Such mechanics only MMORPGs with big servers were able to do them like EVE Online which is good example.

Lets consider how better games can be if more things are simulated realistically.
Take GTA as a good example, if you had several other gangs operating fully simulated by the CPU.
Exciting RT algorithm. In fact when I studied at UMIST, I did research the RT algorithm. The image correctness of today's AAA games don't get that right in fact even though the river, water and ocean waves are all modelled but not done correctly.

Interesting that I saw a video on YouTube that an i5-9400F+RX570 can run RT in BF V...I'll check if I can get that video back...
 
Here it is, 9400F + RX 570 running Ray Tracing in BF V


And this video shows that even 1600X can produce 60+ and more FPS provided a good graphics card is in place:

 
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No no. Actually these are the missing reflections DICE culled intentionally to make Ray Tracing look better when activated. Dice admitted so.
These reflections exist on all previous games using Frostbite engine, all way to Battlefront 1.

That's the biggest Nvidia anti consumer scam exists atm, yet Nvidia fans try to bury it under the carpet.

The best part, is AMD cards lost almost no performance activating those reflections, while Nvidia cards like the 2070S loses 10% fps. :D
Oh well...so it's as clear as the white blue sky!
Yet, amazingly, something as low end as the 9400F and RX 570 can do RT, isn't that marvelous?
 
You don't need the 3400G as you're buying a GPU. The plain 3400 will do fine, though you could use the funds to upgrade to the the 3600.
I like the Wraith Spire which comes with the G version. Lower price variants some with Wraith Stealth which basically asking consume to buy their own cooler.
 
He doesn't want amd and he has a low budget, so get a i5 8400 and the rtx 2060 or a used gtx 1080ti. You are good to go.
I don't mind spending a bit more to get what is worth of it. My budget varies.

Given the narrow upgrading path of Intel, I choose something which is the lowest in the same class. I want the rig to last as long as my current one which has been keeping me happy for the last 5 years.
 
Summarizing all you folks recommendations and advice, I have decided NOT to procure used parts. There are 2 reasons mainly:

1) Quality assurance; it is very hard to tell the actual condition of the part, how to test and RMA is not possible in case the results turn out to be negative.
2) Hard to justify the price of the items; a used i7 might be pricey than a brand new i3 9100F. And the prices vary greatly.

I have decided to go for a NEW system, with some room for future upgrade. The scale of the upgrade will be platform dependent. What I mean is two options are being considered, one being the AMD platform, the other is the INTEL's.

The route is based on the justifications of price, upgrade-ability and the game genre which I play mostly.

I appreciate the idea of going for AMD because of its future proofing more or less, and the backward compatibility offer which I think is a genius strategy by AMD. The PS5 and XBOX's deployment of Ryzen CPUs also affect my decision here. As mentioned in previous thread, politically future games will be driven by these two game vendors. 8c16t definitely is the trend to go beginning in the fall of 2020, that is a little more than a year and a half away. BUT, there is still some time here and maybe AMD will offer more flexible chips and chipsets during this 18 months. Therefore, a more balanced approach is to select a CPU which is just less than 50% of usage across most of the AAA titles predominately BFV, The Honor and FFXV. I would also be looking at some other up coming AAA titles most notably the COD. After watching over 50 videos in the last 3 months, I have observed that even a 1600X can reserve much room when running at Ultra settings coupled with a high end GPU Like the RTX 2080 under 1080 gaming environment. This highly suggests that modern games are more GPU dependent rather than CPU bounded.

It is also undeniable that Intel 9th gen is sort of coming to an end. The lethal factor is the frequent release of next generation products and the minute difference between consecutive generations. The difference between the 8th and 9th gen CPUs aren't really significant. And the removal of additional thread evident in the i7 9700K is hard to comprehend. The attitude of Intel also displays to the community an impression that we should all spend more to get additional cores and threads if you want to gain more FPS. Otherwise you're not left with much choices. This arrogance has caused some frustration and dissatisfaction within the community and further divides the factions. At the same time, the horsepower delivered by Ryzen 3 line of CPUs has catalyzed the shift towards the AMD side, some die-hard Intel fans have in fact defected. BUT, still if you want a pure gaming machine, Intel's proprietary IPC really has its superiority over AMD's, at least for the time being. And the base and boost clock frequencies still prevails. Tens of side-by-side YouTube video game benchmarks show that highest FPS is dominated by Intel at the same core clock.

Integrating all of you folks positive recommendations, I have therefore drafted up the followings

AMD - B450 platform AMD - ZX570 platform Intel - B365 platform Intel - Z390 platform
Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6-4Ghz 4 C/4T 12nm Ryzen5 3400G 3.7-4.2Ghz 4 C/8T 12nm Core i3-9100F 6M Cache up to 4.20 GHz Core i5-9400F 9M Cache up to 4.10 GHz
Stock Cooler Wraith Spire Stock Cooler Wraith Spire Corsair H60 120mm AIO (2018) Corsair H60 120mm AIO (2018)
Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming Asus ROG Strix B365-F Gaming Asus ROG Strix Z390-E Gaming
Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 CL15 2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 CL15 (Black) 2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 CL15 (Black) 2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 CL15 (Black) 2 x 8GB
Corsair RM 750W Corsair RM 850W Corsair RM 750W Corsair RM 750W
Please recommend good NVMe and case
 
Na. OcUK don't sell them, but Sabrent Rocket 1TB NVMe is only just over £100 (£109 iirc). They're an American company, the drives are built with Toshiba 3D NAND (i.e. same as Samsung drives), and they are 3,400MB/s read and 3,000MB/sec write. They come with a 5 year warranty too. Win/win. You can get a 2TB Sabrent Rocket for the price of a 1TB Samsung...
Is it made in the USA?

Actually this bloke recommended the Sabrent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlGjd1GZWdo&t=179s

Faster and cheaper than Samsung

https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compa...70-Evo-Plus-NVMe-PCIe-M2-2TB/m844208vsm798635
 
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Sorry folks,
I started this thread more than a half a month ago. And after much research, consideration, struggling, today is the great day for my build.

I am very pleased today as I have received the Intel Core i5-9600K and the Asus ROG Strix Z390-F motherboard.

I was nearly convinced by the performance of 9350KF when I saw a video showing the gaming benchmark of a 8350K. Then I thought why do I spend $120 more on the 9600K given that overclocking 9350KF to 5,0GHz is possible. Until I watched that video over and over again I noticed that 2 games stutter. I nearly finalized myself on 9350KF more than 8100 or even 9400F.

To save the trouble and hassle, I just then decided to go for the 9600K. Hope my decision is right. It does overclock to 5,0GHz with the proper cooling. It is 6c/6t though is not adequate for games which are coming out next year. But then when I sit down and think deeply, asked myself will I be playing those games? Or are ALL those games suit my expectations in terms of gameplay and the stories. Not 100% probability. A Youtuber called Tech Deals enlightened me with some of their videos. I remember he said "Very high is for actually gaming, whereas Ultra is for screenshots".

As to the reason of choosing Z390 and the ROG Strix version, some might say is that really necessary, that's nearly the top ROG Strix board of Asus. My thinking process is as follows:

Should the 9600K last for 5+ years, then so be it. Should 9700K and even 9900K drop by 10% next year when 10th gen comes out and 9600K fails to work because of some AAA titles handicapping it, then I can still have a board which can cope with the 9700K and 9900K.

Now I want to know though, what sort of overclocked temperature of the 9600K @ 5.0GHz? It's because I need a 120mm AIO or a 240mm AIO for that temperature? Anyone can advise? Thanks!
 
Thanks for your replies.

My list of components now are:

CPU = Intel Core i5-9600K
Mobo = Asus ROG Strix Z390-F
NVMe = Sabrent Rocket 1TB PCIe 4.0
GPU = Asus ROG Strix RX 570 4GB OC
RAM = Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 MHz CL 15 (Low profile)
Cooler = Corsair H100i PRO RGB
PSU = Corsair RMx 850W (80 Gold)
Case = Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 (Love this one, it is the best ventilated with 3 stock fans and 1 at the rear, compliments go to Tech Deals for his recommendation)

I am very happy with the above list though the total cost is rather expensive, yet still within my budget.

Only a bit fed up with Corsair forum as I have raised a question asking about their latest Carbide 275R Airflow case, I was nearly convinced that I should gofor that one , but nobody replied me.

MB511 has several advantages: the $75 case comes with 3 stock fans at the front, and 1 at the rear however they are not PWM fans. It is very spacious inside and provides option for installation of 240mm AIO at the roof, both Silverstone RL06 and Corsair Carbide SPEC-06 as well as Carbide 275R provides no such option (pity).

I have built the rig yet, I need to figure out if I need a Flash USB Drive setup for Windows 10 installation after I have put all the hardware together. Can anyone supply me with the information, currently I only have a DVD for installation of Windows 10.

After the system is setup, I may need to setup a LCS for the RX 570, it runs far too hot.
 
Folks,
I know AMD might be a better choice. I also know that buying the Intel CPU at this point in time is very unwise given that next year 10 gen is coming.
My problem is that I am running out of time, pancreas cancer, 3rd stage.
This is the last build of mine. I built 6 pc the since 2006. One of them was an AMD, bad one.
The chemo will be very tough and possibly I won't be able to survive. I like to make this one as best as possible and leave it to my family. This is the best choice I can figure out and anyway all are bought. I am particularly happy to get the Sabrent because in the region I am living this brand is not available.

Anyway, thanks for all your replies. It has a been a privilege to have all the discussions with you. May God be with you all.
 
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