Help me with my wild 5800x, please

[Bonham]

Greetings, I have just inaugurated a new pc with a Ryzen 5800x (stock settings, I haven't changed anything). The Temperatures and the noise that I get from the liquid cooling are making me not happy at all. I have read that this processor is wild and hot, But I was wondering if I could do something either with the cooling or the processor settings, but the thing is that I am a complete ignorant in this, and I don't want to either destroy the processor or ending with one that doesn't give me the performance I paid for. My other components:
/msi-mpg-x570-gaming-plus
cooler-master-masterliquid-ml360r-rgb
/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-ddr4-3600-pc4-28800-32gb-4x8gb-cl18
/seasonic-focus-gx-750-750w-80-plus-gold-modular

1. I used cinebench R23.200 and I got 15.193 Multicore and 1.581 SIngle Core. I reached 90º. Regardless of the heat, is that performance ok or did it throttle due to temps?
2. The rpm of the pump of the cooling is almost stable at 2410rpm. Is this too little? that is the official value that I have found in the cooler master webpage, but Could I get it higher through bios or software without any problems?
3. I have watched a video of a guy saying that this problem could get fixed altering the PPT down to 120, the TDC to 85, and the EDC to 130 and he also mentioned something about PBO (I Have 0 knowledge about all those weird letters) He said that he only lost max 5% in performance. My rig idles at 50-55 with spikes up to 65º with doing very little. With videogames I can get up to 73º-75º and the fan noise is to shoot myself in the head.

 

[Bonham]

Try setting PPT 120 TDC 88 EDC 120 and then set curve optimiser negative offset -5/10/15 etc how ever low you can get it while remaining stable.

All these setting will be in the setting > advanced > AMD overclocking menu > PBO set to advanced.

Setting PBO limits to manual will bring up where you can adjust PPT TDC EDC and you will see curve optimiser a little way down.

Your scores are noraml.

The 5800X does run hot, that's also normal but they can be made to run cooler and quieter, i have mine running <80c in cinebench even with a small performance improvement over stock.

But it does involve playing with the BIOS, its actually very easy once you know how.

Set PBO to advanced.
Look for curve optimiser, set value to Negative all cores, and set 15, if the Youtube video you're citing doen't make it clear how to do that find one that does.

I would also suggest setting a fan curve for your AIO fans, first so the they don't start ramping up until about 65c and not go full speed until about 80c, as for CPU temps, it running at 90c while under heavy load is not a problem for it.

Thank you for your comments. Getting advice from Silvio Dante and Peter Clemenza gives me hope, let me tell you. I guess that there will be a button in the bios to restore EVERYTHING to default settings if I mess something up?

I have also read about the "silicon lottery" and that the Negative curve thingy doesn't work with certain unlucky chips. Is that true? Will it crash if I haven't gotten lucky?

What do you think about this fan curve? My mobo only has 4 anchor points or however they are called

80ºC - 100%
70ºC - 75%
65ºC - 50%
0-35ºC - 35%

 

[Bonham]

Yes, the will be a restore default button in the BIOS, it will be one of the F Keys or in the save menu.

silicon lottery is a thing, if you're worried about it maybe start with something lower like negative 10 or even 5 and work your way up, it goes to 30 but it would have to be a real good chip to go over 20.

Fan curves look good

When i have more time i'm happy to study your motherboard online so i can use that info to direct you exactly where to go and what to do, right now i just don't have that time But always glad to help.

Edit: there is nothing you can do that will damage the chip, unless you're actually trying to damage it, so don't worry about playing with it.

Thanks man, I don't know how many forums I have posted in and until now I haven't gotten a conclusive solution

and yes, Mr. Dante, I will mind that advice

 

[Bonham]

Thank you all for your answers, I have posted this issue in a lot of places but I wasn't expecting so much help... you are most kind. I am going to watch a video of a dude installing the same air cooling that I have and then I will take a deep breath and detach the part that goes into contact with the processor And look for anything weird. About the software-bios part of it, I don't know if I will be able to do it today and post screenshots because this thing is making my anxiety and headache spike as if my brain is a 5800x and I am feeling nauseous (I know that this isn't life or death situation but I have major depression and I am under meds)

I already have the Hwininfo installed and it is what I use to monitor the cpu temp near my tray icons when I am not gaming.(although I have different sensor infos regarding the cpu and I don't know if I am paying attention to the most accurate one. I chose to monitor that one that is under the name of the Motherboard section, called " CPU Tctl/Tdie" also see from time to time in other apps the term "package" but I don't know what it means either)

Edit: Regarding the thermal paste, if I detach the Water pump from the cpu to take a look, Do I need to apply more thermal paste before reattaching it? I don't Have any yet

 

[Bonham]

Ok, I am currently making screenshots for you guys but in the meantime a have another issue: the fans of the liquid cooling are inside the case, installed on the ceiling of said case, pumping air INSIDE the case. I had my doubts about it and I contacted the shop which built the pc, they say that this is a pull configuration and it is perfectly valid. I have asked in around 8 forums and the consensus from users is that it should be the other way around: the fans in the ceiling should be pushing air from the inside to the outside. What do you think?

It is quite a conundrum, because getting air outside the case through the radiator means feeding it the hotter air that is contained inside the case, while having cool air being pumped inside the case through the radiator, I guess that it in principle is better for the radiator but I don't know if it is worse for air dynamics, since hot air rises by nature and cold air descends, so in this latest case you have hot air that wants to rise but you are hitting it with colder air coming from above.

 

[Bonham]

My RAD in in the top pushing air through it and out the top.

You're right there is some logic to pulling air through the rad from outside, its cooler air, BUT, pulling air through a RAD is much less efficient than pushing air through, generally you want to pushing air through the cooling unit rather than pulling, i would flip the fans over so they push through the RAD.

What's in the front of the case? are there any fans in the front of the case and are they pulling from the outside in or pushing inside out?, in the front they should be pulling air from outside in, that then feeds into the RAD and back out again.

This is my case:

It's got two big-ass air fans in the front sucking air in, one somewhat smaller at the back getting air outside the case, and the fans on the ceiling from the liquid cooling pumping air down from the outside. I am arguing over email with the shop, and after sending them a picture of the fans while deactivated they are insisting that the fans where installed to get air out the case through the radiator, but I am starting to suspect that they are gaslighting me. I open the case, run a benchmark and I place my hand under the ceiling fans and I could bet my life 300000 times over that I feel the torrent of air getting it inside the case, not out.

This is a view from inside the case, looking up. Do they look as if they are absorbing air from the outside, or getting air out the case?

 

[Bonham]

Remove that link straight away @Bonham, competitor links are not allowed.
As far as i'm concerned there is nothing wrong at all with having the fans set to draw air in. Unless your constantly benching a rig all day long, and you have very bad airflow.............the exhaust fans should just dump what little heat the cpu radiator fans put into the case.

Sorry, I substituted it for a photo, is that ok? I will remove the links from the Original post too, my bad

 

[Bonham]

Nice case, the two fans at the front, if like in the picture are correct, the rad fans also look correct, can you feel any air at the top of the case when the fans are ramped up?

That is the thing, I place my hand on the sides of the top part of the case, that should be jetting air out noticeably, but I feel nothing. Could it be that the air I feel that is being pushed inside the case is just bouncing back down from the plastic ceiling, instead of getting out through the sides?

 

[Bonham]

It could be, how well ventilated is the top of the case? is there a magnetic filter over the vents? if so take it off, i don't mean the plastic mesh cage thing, like a plastic mesh sheet with magnets on one side, if so get rid of it.

Goddam it man, the weirdness continues... I have put into practice your simple and yet utterly brilliant advice to use paper or something similar to see if it gets sucked or repelled by the fans, and placing it inside the case near the ceiling fans, it got SUCKED. So they are pushing air out, but I could swear, placing the hand instead of the paper, that the fans are pushing air inside the case.

 

[Bonham]

Feeling air move across your skin can feel the same if its in one direction or the other, its an easy mistake to make, you're just feeling the movement of the air, put that paper on the top on the case.

So I removed the top of the case. Now its ******* ugly. The rotor high-pitched noise has decreased noticeably, and so far I have dropped with the pc completely idle with nothing in the background, 7-8 degrees celsius, so far. I will do more tests and see if this is the solution, but man, I spent good money on a good looking case to have it now looking as if it is beheaded. I wish I had been more clever before buying it. Now I am screwed because I cannot change it, I live in Spain but in a backwater town isolated from the rest of the country, the shipping costs will kill me.

Another thing that grabs my attention is that now the radiator is completely exposed in the ceiling, I have touched with my bare hands when the the Cpu said that it was 86ºC running Cinebench expecting to be burnt, but it was completely cool. Is there something wrong?

 

[Bonham]

I have a 3600XT and a couple of ryzen 3600. I dont like the auto OC at stock - mine momentarily went up to 1.46v and hence brief heat generation (although then they drop to 1.1V) - I know that they are designed for this but still. Therefore on all my 3600's I have set a static all core overclock (and "undervolt") of say 4.45ghz at 1.29 to 1.30v. I monitored heat generation and there didnt seem any heat benefit of going less than 1.29v. I could push the voltage up to say 1.35v but at say 4.55ghz the benchmarks were insignificant.

So thats my advice - set an all core static overclock at the best speed that you can achieve at say 1.30v - as I find it the best comprimise between benchmark performance with the lowest heat generation.

I have some screenshots about my processor values

As I said, I am a complete rookie. Can you see anything weird? are the voltages etc too high?

 

[Bonham]

how are fan rpm's, have you got them running at a constant speed regardless of what your doing or have you setup so under load they ramp up to deal with the heat of the cpu.

i run a 5950x on air and i can tell you at auto volts my chip would easliy hit low 90's with 1.5v all at auto, so i hopped into the bios and just changed my vcore from auto to 1.38v manual and my chip is much happier boost still hits almost 5ghz on most cores but a good 20 or so degrees cooler peaking at 72 degrees, i have my cpu cooler fans on a curve so at 30-50-70 degrees my fans go from 35% to around 68% (which should be 700rpm to around 1750rpm) depending on load.

all the ryzen family run hot no matter which chip you have but as many ppl have said ryzen do like to run warm as if they get too cold they can act funny (but were talking subzero cooling at this point), the point i'm trying to make is tempratures for the masses should be in the 60-80's in gaming senarios and if your benchmarking the cpu then yes tempratures will rocket UNLESS you run a agressive undervolt and use a 360mm or bigger aio/custom loop.

This is the fan curve I have, After removing the top of the case and leaving the radiator exposed I am getting better temperatures and better idle noise, but I get peaks sometimes when I open programs, that reach around 65º until it goes down to 45º. Needless to say, the peaks are very annoying

 

[Bonham]

the sudden spikes in windows are nornal on ryzen cpu's my 5950x does the same thing i get idle temps around 43 degrees and if the cpu is hit with around 10% load the temps jump to 63-67 in a instant, once what ever background app hit the cpu has finished the cpu backs down to the mid 40's again. I see my boost clocks go from 3.4ghz all the way to just under 5ghz in windows and in games i see values in the 4.7 -5.05ghz region.

if you've removed parts of your case and getting better temps then you need to look at better airflow cases to keep your temps low, or increase rpm in the case you have now to compinsate for the extra heat build up, with regard to the temp spikes on your 5800x they are completly normal and expected on amd

But didn't you say that you altered the voltages etc to fix it? Does the processor behave for you like that even after doing what you did? I seriously don't know how AMD thought that a processor such as this is acceptable, all my life I have been an Intel fanboy, I leaned towards AMD this time for all the songs and praises about the Ryzens and so on... I think that I should have stuck to intel, I have always bought quite potent processors from Intel and I have never had these irritations