Help needed for new build AM4 vs AM5

[MrRichT]

Hi, I need to order parts in the next day or so for a new PC build for my daughter's 18th Birthday. We've settled on a case (Corsair 4000D Airflow) and a GPU (Radeon 6800XT) byut I'm really struggling with the CPU choice, and consequently RAM and MB.

I was initially thinking I sohuld go AM5 as AM4 is EOL, but having read about DDR5 RAM not being worth the extra and AM5 motherboards being expensive and not great performance wise I'm wondering whether to stick with AM4 and get a 5800X3D instead.

At the moment this is my AM5 build:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Slim CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 GAMING X AX ATX AM5 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: PowerColor Red Dragon OC Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB Video Card
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Total: £1647.12

And this is my AM4 build:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Slim CPU Coole
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: PowerColor Red Dragon OC Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB Video Card
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Total: £1654.23

My daughter plays a lot of Minecraft and some Sims 4 but also wants to play triple A games at high quality, a mix of RPGs and shooters. We have a Dell 1440P gaming monitor and she'd be looking to play stuff at over 60FPS but not too worried about super high framerates.

I doubt we'll want to upgrade any time soon, but I'm just wondering whether game dev will make better use of the news AM5 processors and DDR5 RAM in the next few years, or whether that AM4 build is better bang for buck and will perform just as well?

Thanks

 

[ci_newman]

Honestly there's very little between them.

UserBenchmark: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 vs 7 5800X

If you're buying new, go AM5. In a few years you can drop a 7900/7950 in it to improve the performance a bunch more.

 

[uscool]

Just go am5 the newer platform with better upgrade path and still zen5 / x3d to come , even if you don't plan to upgrade

 

[J.D]

AM5 all day long. You have the upcoming AM5 X3D parts coming soon and unless there's been news I've missed, you should be ok for at least another generation of AMD CPUs with AM5.

With AM4, you're left with 5800X3D and no avenue to change up. If you already had parts for an AM4 system then I'd recommend just upgrading the CPU to the AM4 X3D CPU but if buying new, AM5 only decent option imo, especially with both systems costing close to the same. As for the value of DDR5 in comparison to DDR4, I'll let someone with experience answer that for you. I don't think you'll have anyone advising you to go the AM4 route but I'll check back later and see what others are saying out of interest. Also people who have already moved to AM5 might have some suggestions for part changes.

I already had a 5600x before I bought my 5800X3D otherwise I'd be on AM5 myself but it was much easier just buying a new CPU in my situation and giving the 5600x to my mother.

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[MrRichT]

Thanks very much everyone, that's very helpful. I'll go AM5!

 

[MrRichT]

So I might be better asking this in the Cases sub folder, but I need to RGB up her 4000D case with three RGB fans in the front and one in the rear, and then I guess another one or two standard non RGB fans in the top.

Corsair do a version of the 4000D called the 4000D RGB Airflow case that comes with 3 preinstalled RGB fans: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...tower-case-black-cc-9011240-ww-ca-274-cs.html

My question is, am I better off buying the standard 4000D case for £99 and buying separately 4 RGB fans and a controller of some sort (and using the two included fans also), or should I buy the RGB case above plus another RGB fan of the same type and a couple of standard fans?

I'm not sure if the Corsair fans and the iCue stuff is my best bet, or whether to look at a different (cheaper?) brand? She basically just wants to be able to set the fans to a solid colour but occassionally change the colour, she doesn't want loads of fancy effects or anything.

Thanks

 

[Wing-Man]

AM4 is a dead socket. buy AM5

 

[Wing-Man]

Corsair do a version of the 4000D called the 4000D RGB Airflow case that comes with 3 preinstalled RGB fans: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...tower-case-black-cc-9011240-ww-ca-274-cs.html

My question is, am I better off buying the standard 4000D case for £99 and buying separately 4 RGB fans and a controller of some sort (and using the two included fans also), or should I buy the RGB case above plus another RGB fan of the same type and a couple of standard fans?

Cosire fans are stupidly not cheap and for them to do anything they have to make some noise.
but there RGB is second to none
the RGB case also comes with an integrated Commander Pro, if your planning on useing corair fans then defo get the case with them already installed.

 

[Trickle]

AM4 still makes sense for people on a much smaller budget or are mixing in 1+ second hand components.
For OP, I would definitely choose the 7600 AM5 option. I think I'd want a gen 5 m.2 slot mobo though.

 

[Tetras]

And this is my AM4 build:

If I was going AM4, then I'd go for something like this, to take maximum advantage of the 'cheap' CPU, motherboard & RAM prices:

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core 4.4GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail - £149.99
Gigabyte B550 Gaming X V2 (AMD AM4) B550 ATX Motherboard - £115.99
Lexar Hades 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit - £79.99

Powercolor Radeon RX 7900 XT HellHound 20GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card - £929.99

WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) - £149.99

Corsair 4000D Airflow Mid-Tower Case - Black Tempered Glass (CC-9011200-WW) - £99.95
MSI MPG A1000G UK PSU 1000W 80 Plus Gold certified Fully Modular - £159.94

Grand Total: £1,697.83

The 7900 XT could also be swapped for a 4070 Ti and 5700X.

I would find this comparison harder to call, whereas with your specs, I'd always go AM5.

 

[Wing-Man]

AM4 still makes sense for people on a much smaller budget or are mixing in 1+ second hand components.

or OP, I would definitely choose the 7600 AM5 option.

So... AM5 then yer....

 

[Wing-Man]

If I was going AM4, then I'd go for something like this, to take maximum advantage of the 'cheap' CPU, motherboard & RAM prices:

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core 4.4GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail - £149.99
Gigabyte B550 Gaming X V2 (AMD AM4) B550 ATX Motherboard - £115.99
Lexar Hades 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit - £79.99

Powercolor Radeon RX 7900 XT HellHound 20GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card - £929.99

WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) - £149.99

Corsair 4000D Airflow Mid-Tower Case - Black Tempered Glass (CC-9011200-WW) - £99.95
MSI MPG A1000G UK PSU 1000W 80 Plus Gold certified Fully Modular - £159.94

Grand Total: £1,697.83

The 7900 XT could also be swapped for a 4070 Ti and 5700X.

I would find this comparison harder to call, whereas with your specs, I'd always go AM5.

yes and no.. that is avery good rig but with that GPU a 5600, i would be looking at a 5800 or 5800x 3d

 

[Muzzza]

I'm an nvidia fan boy, just got a 4070 ti and enjoying it so would swap that.

 

[ToOo]

Why x570 on a budget, only reason I can think of is the spare gen4 nvme slot?
I have that exact Asus board and it's perfectly good, no complaints. But x570 doesn't really get you much over B550. AFAIK the best B550 boards have better memory tuning.
Also why 4x sticks for 32gb? Usually 2x 16 will give you better results when overclocking.
Also that 5800x needs to be either a 5700 or a 5800x3d