Help settle a drumming argument

SexyGreyFox · 29 Aug 2006 at 23:26

This debate has raged on for about 36 years since Deep Purple bought out a single called Fireball and it concerns the drum intro - Fireball Intro
It is played by the amazing Ian Paice who in my opinion walked all over the likes of John Bonham.
Now people have said for decades that you can't do that intro without a double bass drum but Ian Paice never used a double bass drum and nobody had invented the double bass pedal yet.
So listen to the MP3 and tell me what you think.

(I have actually found the 100% definitive answer after 36 years but I would like to hear your opinions please).

SexyGreyFox · 30 Aug 2006 at 09:17

Thanks for the replies because this has been raging on for some years and the 'internet' cannot be trusted all the time.

I got my hands on the Live In Denmark 1972 DVD yesterday and here is the proof -

After the last song the roadies come on and fit another bass drum so that he can do Fireball.
I can't wait until my mates find out because most of them said it was a single pedal because he's that good.

SexyGreyFox · 30 Aug 2006 at 09:30

elroberto said:
so he's not really that good then!

SexyGreyFox · 30 Aug 2006 at 09:37

penski said:
I can drum better tbh

*n

Drum Warrior Penski

You now know what you have to do.

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SexyGreyFox · 30 Aug 2006 at 09:53

G|mp said:
Well im glad thats been cleared up

Me too, 36 years me and friends have been arguing about this.
And for the record - I was wrong.

SexyGreyFox · 30 Aug 2006 at 17:23

TommoUK said:
I think it's good having it all combined into one. People should submit other kinds of music too, it'd make it a bit more interesting.

It always has been for everybody, the clue is in the title -

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SexyGreyFox · 30 Aug 2006 at 19:11

starscream said:
Hmm, I would ask our drummer to enter, but that would mean having to teach him to read and operate a computer first

Theres something in that.

Our drummers so far -
Gary - no computer
Paul - no Computer
Ivan - no computer
Tim - computer but rarely used it
Paul - no computer
Cliff - no computer

SexyGreyFox · 30 Aug 2006 at 22:50

Talking of drummers about a month ago I had a call off this young lad - http://myspace.com/joeblanks
He was interested in joining my band but being 16 and wanting to make a career out of drumming made me feel he wasn't suitable (we're all old men at the end of our days).
On monday he was on Let Me Entertain You program on BBC2 doing a drum solo and won a £1000 and goes to the final on friday 4:30pm BBC2.
He has videos on his myspace site (scroll down the page) and I can't help thinking that some major band will come in for him.

SexyGreyFox · 31 Aug 2006 at 10:28

SidewinderINC said:
well from my experience of reading what he has said on here he's incredibly arrogant about his drumming abilities and has questioned quite a lot of other peoples setups or talked down to people about drumming.

Agreed.
We've asked Neon many times to bring something to the table and he won't.
Its very hard to respect somebody when they are being arrogant but they are telling us how great they are and we haven't heard them.

We have a Guitar Warrior on here called Docaroo and he posts in a similar style to Neon.
The difference is that he bought something to the table and has shown what a fine guitarist he is - http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7647425&postcount=27
With that in mind I can respect him and read his posts in a different light because he does know what he's on about.

SexyGreyFox · 31 Aug 2006 at 19:03

Neon said:
but then again i will probably get slated on how you think my style or something is rubbish.

You will never hear me **** off any up & coming musician on these forums since most people are better than me in their first two months.

SexyGreyFox · 1 Sep 2006 at 00:23

Neon said:
ah the video i sent you. i shall do more.

Well send it to me then.

SexyGreyFox · 1 Sep 2006 at 00:36

Neon said:
Mohinder might have it. but it was very rough :]

I don't care how rough Mohinder is

SexyGreyFox · 1 Sep 2006 at 16:36

Just a little heads up but on BBC2 very shortly on Let me Entertain You there is a drummer doing a drum solo. This is the lad who wanted an audition with us.

SexyGreyFox · 1 Sep 2006 at 17:20

SidewinderINC said:
just watched him, got some ability does that kid!

I wish I tried him now

He still isn't in a band but I reckon he could scare a lot of people off.

SexyGreyFox · 1 Sep 2006 at 18:30

SidewinderINC said:
i think if i saw him doing some proper drumming instead of doing stuff for a studio audience it would be a lot better!
with £2,000 he can sure add a few things to his already huge kit (i assume it was his own)

Scroll down to his videos on his site - http://www.myspace.com/joeblanks
He even plays with a Big Band.

He's right full of himself but in a jokey way.

SexyGreyFox · 4 Sep 2006 at 19:10

raz0rr said:
If that Let Me Entertain You performance is anything to go by, then I can't say he's anything special.

Especially that mozambique groove, which was just the basic pattern that everyone learns when they do that, without any variations.
The big band video was a bit flat. It didn't really have much feel behind it at all.

He seems to be a player that values chops over feel.
Not to say that his chops are bad, however, but it often seems like he's playing above his level of skill, making sloppy mistakes, and trying to impress with chops alone.

Plus I don't like his style.

But all the old people in the audience loved him and won him £2000 so he can't be that bad

He's only 16, self taught and has got a footing on the ladder so I wish him luck.