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I'm looking for a bit of advice.
Most of my current setup is from 2021...
An MSI Z490 Gaming Plus motherboard, i7 10700 processor, 32gb DDR4 3200 RAM, and I still have a GTX1070Ti from a few yeas before that.

I needed a new GFX card to run at 4k, and was holding off for the RTX5000 series. I want something that will last, and figured I'd get a 5080.
When the specs / reviews came out, they all indicated the 5080 wasn't much of an upgrade to the 4080... so I decided to to jump up to the 5090 - which I have on pre order.

In the meantime, I'm looking at the rest of my system thinking it needs a bit of a refresh.

I was thinking about getting...
Asus TUF gaming Z790 Pro Wifi motherboard, Intel i9 14900K and 48gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 7000 RAM.

The processor is 14th gen, and I believe 15th gen just came out?
I want this to be future proof for a good few years. Any suggestions / changes to the above recommended?
 

see if the base unit is worth changing first.
Mine appears to do a decent job, but there's certainly room for an upgrade. I also think if I want to get the most out of the RTX5090, I'm doing to need a new motherboard anyway. If I'm going to the bother of reinstalling everything for a new motherboard, I might as well swap out the processor too?

9800x3d should be you aim and AM5 will give you the future upgradability you require.

9800x3d £500
Motherboard £200
Memory 6000mhz C30 -32gb or 64gb £100 to £200 approx

If I were to go AMD, which series of motherboard should I be looking at? X870 / X870e are all on pre-order (and pretty expensive) X670? B850? I don't think I need anything particularly fancy, as I'm a set and forget kind of person. I'm unlikely to do OC or tweaking.
 
Looking at those benchmarks, I'd say get a GPU, see what improvement you get then compare it to other people running the same GPU but newer CPU and then determine if it's worth it.

Since you already have 32GB it's not like you have a 6 core, 8GB RAM system for example

I have a Xeon 5670 and it still played games fine, I was and still am GPU limited.
My motherboard only supports PCI3.0, and the card I've ordered is PCI5.0. Would I not be losing out on that?

Personally I'd just try a new GPU with your existing system for a week, it's literally just driver update.

Then compared new GPU benchmarks on someone elses's 9800X3D then you know for sure just what you will be gaining.
I guess there's no harm in waiting!
 
b840 doesn't allow cpu overclock, same as a620. I'd just skip it
b650 min..something like the tuf gaming b650 plus wifi can be had for £165 at the mo (basically pcie4 al round with wifi 6)...,

but B850 are the new boards coming out and not that much more..if you're buying a 5090 and want futureproof etc guessing budget reasonably healthy without wanting to go to the fancy boards. Something like the b850 riptide wifi will give you the equivalent of the B650e-f asus board (actually better and cheaper too now with b650 boards going up in price)...it's pcie 5 gpu and primary m.2..has total 4 m.2(rest being pcie4), wifi 7 (this is new to new boards...I just got a new wifi 7 mesh network at home...what a difference..no dead spots or drop in signal...worth it just so i don't get moaned at anymore, so if i was going new mobo, I'd include just so you're covered if you upgrade your wifi down the line) and is £214.99. If you do vid editing or moving large amount of photo's etc, maybe x870 board with usb4 built it. aorus elite board looks nice too..looks like has the easy instal bits added so less use of screwdrivers etc

only thing then is whether you like a digital debug display on your mobo. any problems it'll throuw up a code which helps you pinpoint the problem..in general use it nowmally displays your cpu temp (or does on mine)..price of those has gone up though..x870 tomahawk for example was £260 and is now £300...nothing like bumping a price up because it's popular
Thanks for the detailed response.

The main purpose of the PC is to run a golf simulator. Until recently, it's been ok at 1080p with the detail level turned down a bit. Some of the newer more detailed courses stutter a bit though. I upgraded from a 1080p projector to a 4k projector in December, and need a new video card to run it. The manufacturer suggested an RTX4080 or RTX4090 to be able to run 4k at full detail, so I figured since the 5000 was coming in a few weeks, I'd hold off for that.
The PC is also used for gaming, and occasional photo / video editing... although that's pretty rare.

My plan was to upgrade what's required just now - and then hopefully not need to upgrade it again (especially the video card) for 5+ years.

I wouldn't go as far as saying there's no budget, but I'd rather spend a bit more now to make it more future proof. The thing I find infuriating with Intel chips is that each new CPU generally needs a new motherboard if you leave it 3 or 4 years. The new motherboard generally needs upgraded RAM too - which makes it an expansive upgrade. Like I mentioned previously, I'd like to set and forget, so am unlikely to use OC utilities etc.
If I'm getting a PCIE 5 GFX card, I feel like I might as well get a PCIE 5 motherboard. WiFi isn't too important, as I use a LAN connection. I do need Wifi to connect to my golf sim (am currently using a WiFi 6 dongle) - so WiFi 7 isn't necessary. I don't currently own any USB 4 devices either... but I guess that may change in the future as they become more mainstream.

I don't currently have a digital debug display on my motherboard, but it sounds useful... although not essential.

As suggested above - maybe I'm best trying the RTX5090 in my current system for a week or 2, and seeing how it performs. It may be that I can run the software at max detail at 4k and I don't actually need to make the jump yet.
On the other hand, now the idea of upgrading is in my head... it will probably happen!

I upgraded the PSU in my PC a few weeks ago as the fan was making a dreadful noise, so now have a Corsair RM1000X, which should handle the RTX5090. I also have a Noctura NH-D15S Chromax cooler - which is compatible with the AM5 socket (and the 9800X3D) - so that's another £100 I don't have to spend! Just some new paste.
 
A spanner in the works from the website of the golf sim software:
FSX Play does not support AMD CPUs or Nvidia Quadro.

Given the golf sim is the main use for the PC, I guess I have to go back to looking at Intel.
 
Sure about that first I've heard of that.


Now I've read that, I remember going with Intel for my current setup because of the recommendation!
 
yeah, I've been thru the golfsim forum as helped someone about 6 months ago with a golf sim build. from what i read is nvidia gpu all the way...an amd gpu is a big no no and will cause crashes.
the cpu though, just about most people says works fine, no issues..Reason FSX says intel and nvidia is that the system they test on is intel based, and the sim itself loves the cuda cores of nvidia...you can't go to amd and get cuda, but cpu should make any diff...and i need to check..been awhile, but one of the golf sims uses the unity engine, which is the same engine that 'tarkov' game is based on...and that game engine absolutely loves x3d cpu's...I'm going to send the guy a message, see what system he put together in the end..He had a budget of £3.5k and was toying getting a 4080S while waiting for a 5090...and maybe paired with a 7800x3d...lets see if he responds
but as @Tetras says, can just use your existing setup at mo...FG is built for sims though, golf being a prime candidate being visually a slow moving environment..enable that, you will cpu bottleneck with the 5090 though
FSX Play uses the Unity engine.
I’ve sent a message to my contact at Foresight Golf and asked why they don’t recommend AMD, and if there are any known ill effects.

I’m not in any desperate rush to upgrade. If the setup I have works with the 5090 and gives a decent 4K image with high detail then I can just plod along.

Now I have the upgrade itch, and have some cash assigned to it - it’s hard not to scratch

Will be interesting to see what Foresight (and your friend) come back with though
 
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