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I'm looking for a bit of advice.
Most of my current setup is from 2021...
An MSI Z490 Gaming Plus motherboard, i7 10700 processor, 32gb DDR4 3200 RAM, and I still have a GTX1070Ti from a few yeas before that.

I needed a new GFX card to run at 4k, and was holding off for the RTX5000 series. I want something that will last, and figured I'd get a 5080.
When the specs / reviews came out, they all indicated the 5080 wasn't much of an upgrade to the 4080... so I decided to to jump up to the 5090 - which I have on pre order.

In the meantime, I'm looking at the rest of my system thinking it needs a bit of a refresh.

I was thinking about getting...
Asus TUF gaming Z790 Pro Wifi motherboard, Intel i9 14900K and 48gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 7000 RAM.

The processor is 14th gen, and I believe 15th gen just came out?
I want this to be future proof for a good few years. Any suggestions / changes to the above recommended?
 

see if the base unit is worth changing first.
Mine appears to do a decent job, but there's certainly room for an upgrade. I also think if I want to get the most out of the RTX5090, I'm doing to need a new motherboard anyway. If I'm going to the bother of reinstalling everything for a new motherboard, I might as well swap out the processor too?

9800x3d should be you aim and AM5 will give you the future upgradability you require.

9800x3d £500
Motherboard £200
Memory 6000mhz C30 -32gb or 64gb £100 to £200 approx

If I were to go AMD, which series of motherboard should I be looking at? X870 / X870e are all on pre-order (and pretty expensive) X670? B850? I don't think I need anything particularly fancy, as I'm a set and forget kind of person. I'm unlikely to do OC or tweaking.
 
Looking at those benchmarks, I'd say get a GPU, see what improvement you get then compare it to other people running the same GPU but newer CPU and then determine if it's worth it.

Since you already have 32GB it's not like you have a 6 core, 8GB RAM system for example

I have a Xeon 5670 and it still played games fine, I was and still am GPU limited.
My motherboard only supports PCI3.0, and the card I've ordered is PCI5.0. Would I not be losing out on that?

Personally I'd just try a new GPU with your existing system for a week, it's literally just driver update.

Then compared new GPU benchmarks on someone elses's 9800X3D then you know for sure just what you will be gaining.
I guess there's no harm in waiting!
 
b840 doesn't allow cpu overclock, same as a620. I'd just skip it
b650 min..something like the tuf gaming b650 plus wifi can be had for £165 at the mo (basically pcie4 al round with wifi 6)...,

but B850 are the new boards coming out and not that much more..if you're buying a 5090 and want futureproof etc guessing budget reasonably healthy without wanting to go to the fancy boards. Something like the b850 riptide wifi will give you the equivalent of the B650e-f asus board (actually better and cheaper too now with b650 boards going up in price)...it's pcie 5 gpu and primary m.2..has total 4 m.2(rest being pcie4), wifi 7 (this is new to new boards...I just got a new wifi 7 mesh network at home...what a difference..no dead spots or drop in signal...worth it just so i don't get moaned at anymore, so if i was going new mobo, I'd include just so you're covered if you upgrade your wifi down the line) and is £214.99. If you do vid editing or moving large amount of photo's etc, maybe x870 board with usb4 built it. aorus elite board looks nice too..looks like has the easy instal bits added so less use of screwdrivers etc

only thing then is whether you like a digital debug display on your mobo. any problems it'll throuw up a code which helps you pinpoint the problem..in general use it nowmally displays your cpu temp (or does on mine)..price of those has gone up though..x870 tomahawk for example was £260 and is now £300...nothing like bumping a price up because it's popular
Thanks for the detailed response.

The main purpose of the PC is to run a golf simulator. Until recently, it's been ok at 1080p with the detail level turned down a bit. Some of the newer more detailed courses stutter a bit though. I upgraded from a 1080p projector to a 4k projector in December, and need a new video card to run it. The manufacturer suggested an RTX4080 or RTX4090 to be able to run 4k at full detail, so I figured since the 5000 was coming in a few weeks, I'd hold off for that.
The PC is also used for gaming, and occasional photo / video editing... although that's pretty rare.

My plan was to upgrade what's required just now - and then hopefully not need to upgrade it again (especially the video card) for 5+ years.

I wouldn't go as far as saying there's no budget, but I'd rather spend a bit more now to make it more future proof. The thing I find infuriating with Intel chips is that each new CPU generally needs a new motherboard if you leave it 3 or 4 years. The new motherboard generally needs upgraded RAM too - which makes it an expansive upgrade. Like I mentioned previously, I'd like to set and forget, so am unlikely to use OC utilities etc.
If I'm getting a PCIE 5 GFX card, I feel like I might as well get a PCIE 5 motherboard. WiFi isn't too important, as I use a LAN connection. I do need Wifi to connect to my golf sim (am currently using a WiFi 6 dongle) - so WiFi 7 isn't necessary. I don't currently own any USB 4 devices either... but I guess that may change in the future as they become more mainstream.

I don't currently have a digital debug display on my motherboard, but it sounds useful... although not essential.

As suggested above - maybe I'm best trying the RTX5090 in my current system for a week or 2, and seeing how it performs. It may be that I can run the software at max detail at 4k and I don't actually need to make the jump yet.
On the other hand, now the idea of upgrading is in my head... it will probably happen!

I upgraded the PSU in my PC a few weeks ago as the fan was making a dreadful noise, so now have a Corsair RM1000X, which should handle the RTX5090. I also have a Noctura NH-D15S Chromax cooler - which is compatible with the AM5 socket (and the 9800X3D) - so that's another £100 I don't have to spend! Just some new paste.
 
A spanner in the works from the website of the golf sim software:
FSX Play does not support AMD CPUs or Nvidia Quadro.

Given the golf sim is the main use for the PC, I guess I have to go back to looking at Intel.
 
Sure about that first I've heard of that.


Now I've read that, I remember going with Intel for my current setup because of the recommendation!
 
yeah, I've been thru the golfsim forum as helped someone about 6 months ago with a golf sim build. from what i read is nvidia gpu all the way...an amd gpu is a big no no and will cause crashes.
the cpu though, just about most people says works fine, no issues..Reason FSX says intel and nvidia is that the system they test on is intel based, and the sim itself loves the cuda cores of nvidia...you can't go to amd and get cuda, but cpu should make any diff...and i need to check..been awhile, but one of the golf sims uses the unity engine, which is the same engine that 'tarkov' game is based on...and that game engine absolutely loves x3d cpu's...I'm going to send the guy a message, see what system he put together in the end..He had a budget of £3.5k and was toying getting a 4080S while waiting for a 5090...and maybe paired with a 7800x3d...lets see if he responds
but as @Tetras says, can just use your existing setup at mo...FG is built for sims though, golf being a prime candidate being visually a slow moving environment..enable that, you will cpu bottleneck with the 5090 though
FSX Play uses the Unity engine.
I’ve sent a message to my contact at Foresight Golf and asked why they don’t recommend AMD, and if there are any known ill effects.

I’m not in any desperate rush to upgrade. If the setup I have works with the 5090 and gives a decent 4K image with high detail then I can just plod along.

Now I have the upgrade itch, and have some cash assigned to it - it’s hard not to scratch

Will be interesting to see what Foresight (and your friend) come back with though
 
he went AMD 7950X cpu. has zero issues. I've just asked how much ram he's actually using as 64 is probably overkill, but seeing as he went high end with everything (the msi meg mobo is £700+), what's an extra £100...but his reply below



The AMD cpu is fine...for whatever reason foresight were not recommending AMD for GFX.

FSX Play is much more taxing than GSPro, and FSX Play are going thru the process of upgrading the graphics on all courses...They have done it for a couple of the premium courses throughout the past few months, so I am glad i went slightly overkill. I play on 4k @ 60fps and of course the system runs all golf software without issue. All is good, but maybe it would have been just as good if I went for cheaper components!

Components used below:
- AMD Ryzen 9 7950x
- MSI RTX 4090
- G.Skill Trident Z5 2x32GB DDR5 PC5-48000c30 6000Mhz
- MSI MEG x670E

I'd still say the 9800x3d would be a better cpu. I think all the cores of the 7950x wont be fully utilised for the simulator..also, as you've double confirmed, FSX running on unity, that loves the x3d v cache, so would be my go to, and I'd take the 9800x3d over the 7800x3d as you've got the 5090..as you're spending £2k on the gpu, might as well eek out as much performance as possible

Thanks for that
I had the software guy from Foresight on the phone about 30 mins ago. He said the only thing they can guarantee to work are the PC's they supply. There are lots of variables when speccing a PC, and they sell a confirmed working spec - which is Nvidia / Intel.

They only go on info that's passed down to them from Foresight US, but there have been issues in the past with delays and issues with the shot tracer on AMD CPU's. He was quite frank when he said 'the past' could easily be several years ago and no one has ever retested it with an AMD processor so they just stick with the 'not recommended' line. He said graphics are optimised for Nvidia, and he would definitely avoid an AMD GFX card. An AMD processor should work fine, but he couldn't guarantee it.

I'm trying to achieve 4k @ 60fps at full detail too - so good to know that his system copes with it. I would definitely pay the extra for the 9800X3D, but a £250-300 motherboard would be fine!

The sensible thing to do is hang fire at the moment and see how my old kit copes with the 5090 before ordering anything else.
 
you can run a golf simulator on much lower settings, with min recommended being a 3060/4060 atm..but of course that goes up once you start projecting from 1080p to 4k. also you then add more detail etc and can add ray tracing/path tracing..software recommendation back in 2020 recommends 3090 for top settings..pretty sure a 5080 is more than enough for everythig, esp with frame gen which would work well on golf, but op aready set sights on 5090. not going to argue with that. at mo better getting that then spending on a 5080 aib at ridiculous prices...see someone selling a 5080 asus prime at £1483 i think before he returns it...that's meant to be a msrp card..even the link he put up from asus lists it as £979...shop he bought it from scalps with the best of them obvs...at that price I'd rather stump up the extra and get a 5090fe myself

generally, when you have someone willing to convert a garage or room for a full golf setup with projectors, screen, nets, ball tracker etc, they're already a few £kkk's in. might as well go the whole way and have a decent image to shoot at

@p3eps I did go back as was curious for a 16 core cpu and 64gb ram...he also using it for modelling/photogrammetry...ontherwise he would have gone for x3d cpu/32gb ram. going 4k does put less stress on the cpu so be interesting how you get on with your current setup
When I spoke to the guy at Foresight, he was shocked that I was still getting a decent result with a 1070ti - as it's way below their recommended settings. I think they recommend at least a 3060 for basic, and a 4080 for high spec. I have it on relatively low settings, and it only really struggles on some of the newer courses which have things like moving water. When the ball flies, I then get a bit of a stutter. Still perfectly playable though.
The 5080 was my original choice as I figured it would be better than the 4080 Super, and it was originally announced as being cheaper. The reviews did't do the 5080 any favours, and a lot of them are retailing at over £1400. Jumping to a 5090 seemed sensible given the 4090 isn't much cheaper, the 5090 has double the VRAM. The 5090 should have 2 years as top dog, then hopefully still have a good few years as a contender after that.

My golf sim is my garage - and is primarily still a garage. Full of bikes, tools, racking, the boiler and an overspill fridge freezer! A UK double garage is about 5m x 5m, so my space is limited. I press a button and my screen rolls down in front of my garage door. Shut some curtains, turn the PC / Projector on, place the launch monitor on the floor - and start hitting! I also use the screen / PC to pair up with a Kickr, and do indoor cycling in there. A nice immersive setup.
I've seen some stunning builds where people have spent silly money on dedicated golf sim rooms or built structures in their garden to house them. There's also loads of Reddit posts of people making a golf sim with budgets of <$2k!

My budget is far from unlimited... but I'm willing to pay a little more for better / faster components - purely so they last a bit longer!
Swapping the projector to a Benq TK710STI (4K) was what started this. An expensive route to add some more pixels / detail... but I guess that's why we're all here!
 
Ask him why you need such a rig when you get things like this still run fine on PCs


I think you alluded to it in your previous post - poor programming. I'm not a coder, so can't comment - but I've read similar phrases about Foresight's golf software - and how it needs ridiculous hardware specs for what it's actually doing.
There are other sim software out there that are doing the same thing (GS Pro, E6) that look similar - but don't need anything like the same hardware to run smoothly.
 
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