Help with a build (Recomend componants)

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Sorry if posting in wrong place (Bit of a newbie)
Building a PC need help and advice.
So far the only thing I really have sorted is the OS (Windows 7 Ultimate)
I want a new pc for gaming but more importantly video editing (Adobe AE, Premiere and perhaps at a later date 3DS Max)

Once I see all the pieces I just get extremely daunted by the whole task and never really tackled something like this before and so I'm seeking help.
Was thinking something like an i7 processor with 16-32gb of ram, a solid state drive for OS and software, 3tb drive for video files (Maybe less + an external) my real issue is with motherboard and graphics card.

I am on a realistic budget of around £1000, can go to £1500 if it really makes noticeable difference.

What should I get and why?

Thanks a lot guys.
 
Which version of Adobe After effects and Premier Pro ? I use version 6 and can give you the spec that's best for your budget if it helps?
 
So with your budget of £1000-1500, you say you only have the OS. Can you clarify do you need a keyboard, mouse, speakers, monitor, etc along with the case and all internal components?

Thanks
 
I have the monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers with my current pc. by opperating system being sorted I just mean I know what I'm getting, it's only £60 though so don't need to worry about it hitting budget too much.
Just need advice on case and literally everything in it from processor to thermal paste.
Thanks again guys, very helpful.
 
This one hits a tad over your 'realistic' budget and a little into your 'max' budget. However it would be pretty much the best you can get without going into socket 2011 territory. If you don't plan to game as much then you could save £100 and drop the 7950 to the 7850 in my 2nd spec.

I picked a larger 256GB SSD as you would use this for your SSD and to install your main apps like Adobe AE, Premiere, 3DS Max, etc. Would make using Windows and your main apps much snappier, smoother and nicer to use. :)

16GB RAM is plenty, you could choose to up this to 32GB if you really want. I don't think you would use it though but RAM is cheap as chips these days!

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i7-3770K 3.50GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £269.99
1 x MSI HD 7950 Twin Frozr III OC V2 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with FREE FARCRY3, Hitman Absolution, Sleeping Dogs & 20% off MOH Warfighter PC Games £251.99
1 x Samsung 256GB SSD 830 Notebook/Apple Series SATA 6Gb/s KIT with Norton Ghost - (MZ-7PC256N/EU) £149.99
1 x Corsair Obsidian 550D Quiet Midi Tower Case - Black £119.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77X-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £112.99
1 x XFX 850W XXX Edition Modular '80 Plus Silver' Power Supply £94.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) £66.66
1 x BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 2 CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775/1155/1156/1366/2011/AMD FM1/AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+) £61.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TED316GM1600HC11DC01) £53.99
1 x LG GH24NS90 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
Total : £1,201.56 (includes shipping : FREE).





Alternatively, here is a much cheaper build if you want to really save the pennies. I kept the i7-3770K in regardless though, even if you wanted to go cheaper you should keep this as you need the processing power for what you intend to do.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i7-3770K 3.50GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £269.99
1 x MSI HD 7850 Twin Frozr III OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Cards w/ FARCRY3, Nexuiz & Sleeping Dogs PC Games £149.99
1 x Samsung 128GB SSD 830 Series SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Drive - (MZ-7PC128B/WW) £89.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £83.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) £66.66
1 x Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Case - Black £64.99
1 x Corsair Enthusiast Series TX550M High Performance 550W '80 Plus Bronze' Modular Power Supply (CP-9020001-UK) £59.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TED316GM1600HC11DC01) £53.99
1 x BeQuiet Shadow Rock Pro CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3) £32.99
1 x LG GH24NS90 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
Total : £891.55 (includes shipping : FREE).

 
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What are the major benefits to the first build over the second? Just trying to see what I get extra for my money, other than extra storage space, how is the motherboard better? Thanks a lot though, this is really helpfull.
 
If you want a rig mainly for Adobe AE and PremPro then you would be better going for at least 16gb ram, 32 is by no means over the top.
Also a GTX graphics card would be much better as Adobe will work better with Cuda.
A good i7 processor and ideally at least 3 hard drives. With this software you can store different files on different discs and increase the speed of rendering by accessing all at once.
 
Beasor2 said:
What are the major benefits to the first build over the second? Just trying to see what I get extra for my money, other than extra storage space, how is the motherboard better? Thanks a lot though, this is really helpfull.
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In terms of performance, the mobo in my 1st spec would allow you to look into overclocking. The 2nd not so much, although it is still very capable.

To be fair, if you want to go for the cheapest option without decreasing performance, I would go for the below revised spec I have just added.

If you don't intend to overclock, you won't be a hardcore gamer, you don't care about the case styling - that is when you can look into dropping other things that don't matter so much. You could even look at other cheaper cases if you really wanted too. I've kept the larger SSD as the apps you use are large so you'll benefit from having headroom.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i7-3770K 3.50GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £269.99
1 x Samsung 256GB SSD 830 Notebook/Apple Series SATA 6Gb/s KIT with Norton Ghost - (MZ-7PC256N/EU) £149.99
1 x MSI HD 7850 Twin Frozr III OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Cards w/ FARCRY3, Nexuiz & Sleeping Dogs PC Games £149.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £83.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) £66.66
1 x Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Case - Black £64.99
1 x Corsair Enthusiast Series TX550M High Performance 550W '80 Plus Bronze' Modular Power Supply (CP-9020001-UK) £59.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TED316GM1600HC11DC01) £53.99
1 x BeQuiet Shadow Rock Pro CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3) £32.99
1 x LG GH24NS90 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
Total : £951.55 (includes shipping : FREE).

 
That rig looks good for gaming but wont get the best out of Adobe. If you change the graphics card to say a GTX660 and scrap the 2tb drive and add 2 x 1tb then it will run the software much better and still be good for gaming.
 
wissel said:
That rig looks good for gaming but wont get the best out of Adobe. If you change the graphics card to say a GTX660 and scrap the 2tb drive and add 2 x 1tb then it will run the software much better and still be good for gaming.
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Why is it only good for gaming? It has an i7-3770K and 16GB RAM.. :confused: Genuine question! I'm not an expert in Adobe software.

Also curious regarding why he should buy 2x 1TB drives over 1x 2TB drive? A 1TB drive will cost him £62 twice over. A 2TB drive will cost £67, once! Why would it run better..?
 
Adobe PremPro supports graphic acceleration only on Nvidia cards and benefits from more Cuda cores.

As far as more hard drives goes with Adobe software you can specify where different types/parts of files are put. Heres a video that explains it:

http://www.video2brain.com/en/lessons/optimizing-hard-disks

Basically a 2tb drive has the same read/write speed as a 1tb. 2 x 1tb has twice the read/write speed. This is crucial for video rendering with Adobe.
 
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In that case I would change the ATI 7850 to the MSI 660 OC (which is currently on offer).

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-174-MS

Not too sure on the HDDs though, he'd be doubling the cost. Would it be worth it and would he notice the difference in performance (if any)?

Sorry don't have time to watch the video if it does explain the performance boost; I'm off to bed in a few minutes! :p
 
Just trying to piece together what you're both saying
Hows this looking?
-Intel Core i7-3820 3.60GHz (Sandybridge-E) Socket LGA2011 Processor - Retail
-ASUS Sabertooth X79 Intel X79 (Socket 2011) Motherboard
-Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E CPU Cooler (Socket LGA 2011/1366/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA775/AM2/AM3/FM1)
-NZXT Phantom 410 Case
-Seagate Barracuda 3.5 inch 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB 6GB/S Internal SATA Drive
-Samsung 256GB 830 SSD SATA 6GBPS 2.5 inch
-TeamGroup Elite 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
Managed to shop around and find all this for around £850
Have I done something wrong? am I spending money on stuff I don't really need, should I be spending more on certain items, I really don't mind spending the extra if it's worth it
And I still need advice on power supply and graphics card. (I am interested in 3D maybe down the line.)
You have all ben a great help so far.
 
That chip and board are very good (use the same set up myself)
I don't air cool so have no idea if that cooler is any good?
Dont know much about the 410, do know the Fractal Define R4 is only £10 more and is a great case that will also take watercooling if you decide to at a later stage.
GET 2x 1TB DRIVES (I've seen 1tb WD blacks going for £50 if you shop about)
That SSD is a good choice
You would be better getting quad channel memory with that board (say 4x4gb)

As far as graphics go a GTX660 will be fine, a Ti or a 670 if budget allows would be great
 
Beasor2 said:
Just trying to piece together what you're both saying
Hows this looking?
-Intel Core i7-3820 3.60GHz (Sandybridge-E) Socket LGA2011 Processor - Retail
-ASUS Sabertooth X79 Intel X79 (Socket 2011) Motherboard
-Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E CPU Cooler (Socket LGA 2011/1366/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA775/AM2/AM3/FM1)
-NZXT Phantom 410 Case
-Seagate Barracuda 3.5 inch 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB 6GB/S Internal SATA Drive
-Samsung 256GB 830 SSD SATA 6GBPS 2.5 inch
-TeamGroup Elite 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
Managed to shop around and find all this for around £850
Have I done something wrong? am I spending money on stuff I don't really need, should I be spending more on certain items, I really don't mind spending the extra if it's worth it
And I still need advice on power supply and graphics card. (I am interested in 3D maybe down the line.)
You have all ben a great help so far.
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The RAM should be 4X4Gb for X79 ideally, it wuill run in dual channel mode with just a pair of sticks, but for maximum bandwidth go for four.

Theres also the issue that a i7 3770K+Z77 board could be a better and cheaper option.

i7 3770K vs i7 3820 - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=523



YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 670 OC Twin Frozr Power Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N670GTX PE 2GD5/OC) £299.99
1 x Intel Core i7-3770K 3.50GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £269.99
1 x Samsung 256GB SSD 830 Series SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Drive - (MZ-7PC256B/WW) £149.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77X-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £112.99
1 x Silverstone Strider Plus 750W Modular '80 Plus Silver' Power Supply (ST75F-P) £104.99
1 x NZXT Phantom 410 Enthusiast Midi Tower Case - Black £79.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) £66.66
1 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TED316GM1600HC11DC01) £53.99
1 x Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E CPU Cooler (Socket LGA 2011/1366/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA775/AM2/AM3/FM1) £49.20
Total : £1,202.78 (includes shipping : £12.50).




I picked an Nvidia card as you get CUDA support which I know Adobe programs can use to speed up rendering/editing times (theres also Quicksync avalible via the CPU IGP+Z77 board)
 
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wissel said:
Adobe PremPro supports graphic acceleration only on Nvidia cards and benefits from more Cuda cores.

As far as more hard drives goes with Adobe software you can specify where different types/parts of files are put. Heres a video that explains it:

http://www.video2brain.com/en/lessons/optimizing-hard-disks

Basically a 2tb drive has the same read/write speed as a 1tb. 2 x 1tb has twice the read/write speed. This is crucial for video rendering with Adobe.
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Thanks for the link, very informative.

Although I don`t know anything about rendering, editing, etc, I can see how using 2 hdd`s would be more effective, especially when time is a factor.
 
Okay, so a few more questions (Thanks for bearing with me)
What would be the main benefits of the Sabertooth x79 be over the Gigabyte Z77X-D3H and other cheaper motherboards if I was going to go with the i7-3770 instead of i7-3820?
I see what you're saying about getting 4 x4gb of ram instead of 2x8gb, I only intended to do it that way as I'd more than likely add another 16 (2x8gb) in the future and that way wouldn't have to replace the whole lot. Would it be easier/ better to just go full on the 32gb to begin with?
 
The main benefits of going X79 is that you can get CPU's such as the 3930K or greater which are Hex core with Hyperthreading = 12 threads, where as the i7 3770K+3820 are quad core+Hyperthreading = 8 threads.

If you got a X79 motherboard with 8 dimm slots, then you can fill four of these with a 4X4Gb (16Gb) kit and still add another four later (32Gb total).
 
Okay so before I order if you guys could give this a look over, suggest swapping parts maybe or changes of any kind.

-Intel Core i7-3820 3.60GHz (Sandybridge-E) Socket LGA2011 Processor - Retail
-ASUS Sabertooth X79 Intel X79 (Socket 2011) Motherboard
-Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E CPU Cooler (Socket LGA 2011/1366/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA775/AM2/AM3/FM1)
-NZXT Phantom 410 Case
-Samsung 256GB 830 SSD SATA 6GBPS 2.5 inch
- 2 x Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
-MSI GeForce GTX 670 OC Twin Frozr Power Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N670GTX PE 2GD5/OC)
and as the issue with two 1tb vs one 2tb drives, the cheapest 1tb drive i can find is £55 where as I can find a 2tb for just over £60, so would I get the same benefits getting two 2tb drives?
And what power supply would you recommend for all this?

(And I'm not missing anything am I?)
 
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