Help with fan setup

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Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone could advice what is the best fan setup. I have currently bought a new aio.

My case is source 340 which only has mounting at the front for a dual rad so my question is, do I have case, rad then fans or case fans then rad? I have it setup as pull because the case manual states this is the only setup it can use.

I have replaced the stock fans with the corsair sp120s (the ones designed for Rads) and have one rear fan and one top fan getting rid of heat

Thanks a lot
 
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I would do one of the following:

1. Mount the AIO at the front so the fans pull in cooler air
2. Mount the AIO at the top so the fans push air out the case

Once that's done, the fan setup should, ideally, be as follows:

Front - Pulling air In
Top - Pushing Air out
Back - Pushing Air Out
Bottom (if you have any fan spaces) pulling air in

It's all about positive pressure and removing excess heat efficiently.
 
Thanks for the quick reply.

I have a 120 fan at the back and one at the top pushing air out and i have two sp 120s at the front pulling cold air in to the case.

As I have a 240mm rad would it be better to have the fans mounted to the front of the case and then the rad to the fans or would it be better to have the rad mounted to the case and then the two fans screwed to the rad or will this make no difference to air flow\cooling of the rad
 
"Positive pressure" is often misunderstood .. the difference is almost nonexistent .. like the difference in pressure between standing with our toes in the ocean and walking back up the beach so we are standing 15' above ocean. ;) It's function in a case is only to cause air to be leaking out instead of leaking dusty air in .. and then it only helps if all intake fans are filtered.

How airflow works
Airflow is simply displacement; for air to come into case, air must be leaving case .. or .. for air to leave the case, air must be coming into case.

Think of the air around us as water and we are divers in it and a sunken van is a computer case.
  • We can't put more water into the van (case) through an open window (vent) unless we have another open window (vent) somewhere else in the van (case .. the amount of water (air) flowing through window is same amount as is flowing out the other window.
  • We can't take any water out of van unless we have water coming in other window at the same time.
  • This is exactly how airflow works. Intake fan pushing / flowing air into case is pushing / flowing the same amount of air out of case.
  • Adding an exhaust fan can help case airflow, same as adding a back fan on some coolers.
  • But with good case intake fans we don't need exhaust fans, same as good cooler / radiator fans don't need pull fans. ;)
  • This is why I used to always change stock intake fans. Now some cases are finally coming with intake fans that have high enough pressure ratings to not need 'helper' (exhaust) fans. :thumb:


Setting up a case for optimum cooling

Setting up the case for optimum cooling is often the hardest and most time consuming part of a build... And the most neglected by most builders.

  • There is much more to cooling than good cases and good CPU / GPU coolers. Add the fact that many GPU's make more heat than CPU means getting that heat out of the case and keeping a cool airflow to components can be a challenge.
  • Cases, especially those with filters, usually benefit from fans with higher static pressure ratings than stock fans... "cooler" fans instead of "case" fans.
    Intakes typically have more restricted than exhaust because of air filters, more restrictive grills, HDD cages, etc.
  • I prefer more intake than exhaust. And don't confuse number of fans with amount of airflow... or airflow with airblow
  • airflow is flowing cool air from intake to component and flowing hot air from component out of case without the hot air mixing with the cool air.
  • airblow is lots of fans blowing air with some of hot air from components mixing with cool air making it warmer resulting in warm air not cooling components as well as the cool air will.
  • Putting fans in case as intake and/or exhaust is only the first step. These fans only move air in and out of case.
  • This does not mean heated air is not mixing with cool air.
  • Nor does it mean cool air is going to where it is needed.
  • Getting the air to flow inside of case properly is even more important. We still need to manage where the air flows inside the case. We can do this several ways; deflectors, more intake fans.. & exhaust fans, removing vent grills, removing HDD cage, using fans with higher pressure/airflow, building ducts to or from CPU/GPU cooler, etc.
  • Using a remote temperature sensor to monitor what air temps are is the key to finding out where the cool air is flowing and knowing heated air is not mixing into it. By monitoring this we can than make changes to get airflow the way we want it.
  • Keep in mind your case needs to flow more air than components do. It isn't so much how many fans but how well they flow air through the case. If component fans move more air than case fans move through case components are using their own heated exhaust to make up the difference and case heats up. Good rule of thumb is 25-50% more case cfm than component cfm but well tuned airflow can be almost equal equal.
  • Traditional tower cooler exhausting toward back of case must have rear / rear & top back case exhaust fan that remove as much or more cfm than cooler fans exhaust.
  • A duct from back of cooler to back of case (like Thermalright HR-22 uses) is also an option that works very well.

Example of Cool & Quiet System
  • My Define R2 system has three TY-140 74cfm intake fans. (no exhaust fans) in case while CPU has TY-143 130cfm fan and GPU has two TY-100 44cfm fans
  • Case = 222cfm
  • Components = 218cfm
  • Air temp inside of case going into coolers is never more than 3c above room.
  • 2 front TY-140 & CPU cooler TY-143 fans are PWM controlled by CPU
  • Bottom TY-140 & GPU TY-100 fans are PWM controlled by GPU


It is amazing how much cooler a system runs (and quieter) once the case airflow is setup to keep heated exhaust from contaminating cool intake air. Once we start doing these things, the concept seems like a no-brainer, yet most users seem to think more fans and/or powerful fans are needed to get better cooling. The reality is it's not so much the power and amount of air the fans move. but the currents / pathways the air flows in on it's way through the case that is important. Fan power/airflow only needs to be a little more than the amount the components are using at any given time. Using too many, fan and having too much airflow airblow can be as detrimental to case's flow pattern as not using fans with enough flow .. and if the flow isn't tuned to keep cool and heated air separate the system is not going run as cool as it can.


How to monitor air temperature different places inside of case:

  • A cheap indoor/outdoor thermometer with a piece of insulated wire and a plastic clothspin works great.
  • Made up with floral wire and tape. We don't want anything to short out with metal. ;)
    LL

  • Clip and position sensor where I want to check the temp. Make it easy to see what the air temp going into components actually is relative to room temp. ;)
  • Optimum cooling wis when air temps going into coolers only being 2-3c warmer than room.. 5c or less is good.
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Short answer to the fan on rad question, no it will make little difference. The key question is how easy it will be to clean the dust off, so if you have a filter on the outside of the case it's fine because they are the same... if you have no filters on the case buy a few cheap ones and install the fans on the case side so you can clean dust off easily.
 
I was looking into Bequiet Silent wing 3 140mm case fans and came across this info:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAhFDG7HHk4

https://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/be-quiet-/374598-bequiet-silent-wings-3-a-9.html

There is some debate going on on that forum, but others have also mentioned the Silent wing 3 version especially the PWM versions are not as silent as the silent wing 2s !

Apparently its down to the new fan bearings in the newer SW3 PWM fans making that slight rattle, others mentioned similar findings and some even said its the PWM chipset causing it and going back to the 3 pin header solved the issue. Be-quiet did say they will look into it and try to improve it but that was many years ago not sure if they fixed the issue or not.

Regarding air flow, I have watched on Ytube reviews some case reviewers have said even with 3 case fans in the front and one exhaust, sometimes 1 fan on the top does assist the cpu and system temps by a few C, so maybe it is still worth experimenting with Case fans and layouts.

Personally I like the 2x140mm or 3x120mm in the front to pull air in and 1x120 or 140mm fan on the rear to force any hot air out in my pc builds, seems to work most of the time.
 
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