Help with new machine...

Dont bother getting prebuilt system (well,at least its my advise) get parts you want and build your own,dont miss that exiting time and smell of fresh pc parts :D
also you save some good money on that..

Very true...

My concerns however still remain.

If I had all these problems with the system ive just sent back then whats to say I don't get it again with another sandybridge system.
 
usualy when you build yourself (or your brother) it has way less problems,since you doing it for yourself,its not job but pleasure,so its way better builds,look around this forum..
and there is enough ppl who have problems with prebuilt systems..if you choose quality parts,you wont have any problems.
and sandy bridge system have nothing to do with all of this - its rather ppl who building all those prebuilt systems (they must get some ppl from this forum instead) - again,look around this forum and you wont see many who unhappy with they sandy systems,dont let fool yourself just because some "IT engineer" cant do quality build.
Build yourself or with some help and you will be happy,and you will have way less problems (if any at all)
 
If I had all these problems with the system ive just sent back then whats to say I don't get it again with another sandybridge system.
A consumer magazine created minor problems to PCs. Most computer shops never fixed the problem But they did get a lot of perfectly good parts replaced. It is called shotgunning. It is performed when a tech has no idea what the problem is.

Solutions are a two step process. First all facts are collected so that the problems (suspects) are known. The fixing / replading something comes a line time later.

This is, for example, why more responsible computer manufacturers provide comprehensisve hardware diagnostics for free. All have them. Only the more responsible provide them to techs and you.

So, you must work with lesser information. Do you also automatically plane all doors when they become sticky or disloddged? Of course not. You first inspect the foundation. Identify why that unacceptable failure exists before fiixing anything. An informed tech does same for you computer. That foundataion is its power supply system. Informe techs know a PSU is only one component of that system. And the entire system can be confirmed in one minute using a multimeter when the computer is accessing (multitasking to) all peripherals simultaneously. Numbers from six wires are provided by a tech who is doing his job. You can do same with a multimeter sold to 13 year olds in Kmart. Also sold in most any store that sells hammers because it is that dumb simple. Best purchased in some stores for $5 or $17.

Once those numbers are provided here, then fundamental system functions are identified definitely good or definitely bad. Any other answer means no useful information. Once the answer is definitive, then either the suspect to replace has been identified. Or we more on to the other known suspects.

You will discover large numbers of 'experts' are hearing this for the first time. Had no idea that he power system is more than a PSU. Have no idea what those numbers are reporting. In part, because an A+ Certified Computer tech need not learn how electricity works to pass the test. Which is why that consumer magazine had so much trouble finding anyone who could actually fix the problem

Welcome to the whys your problem (including no comprehensive hardware diagnostic) and why you have so little reason to believe a solution will be implemented. Too much "it could be that or might be this" thinking. Too little facts with numbers that define a problem before it is fixed.

Let's address some other popular myths up front. Neither a UPS nor protector will solve dirty power. In fact, your incandescent lamps must dim to 40% intensity. Even that is perfectly ideal power for all computers. Any 'cleaning' done on AC mains is completely undone inside every power supply. First the supply makes that voltage much higher (well over 300 volts) and converts it to very dirty radio waves. Clean power is created by first making power dirter. But that is not understood by many who have no idea what a power supply does.

Dirty mains or 'cleaning' power with a UPS are just myths created when one has no idea how electricity works and how computer power supplies work. In fact, those suggestions are identifying the techs with least technical knowledge. 'Dirty or cleaner' AC power quickly identifies which techs to keep your hardware away from.
 
Thanks for the info on that Weston.

A quickfire question though. Im planning on getting a high-end rig with GeForce 580 GTX SLI cards (2). Is it worth me investing in watercooling or not?
 
A quickfire question though. Im planning on getting a high-end rig with GeForce 580 GTX SLI cards (2). Is it worth me investing in watercooling or not?
A computer must work perfectly fine even in a room approaching 40 degrees C. The math is simple. Two necessary parameters are a CPU’s watts and maximum temperature. For example, if that CPU is 60 degrees C, then the heatsink must have a 20 degree difference between that CPU and chassis air temperature.

How good is the heatsink? Manufacturer must provide a 'degree C per watt' number. Does that wattage result in a 'degrees C' that is less than (in this example) 20 degrees? Then the hardware is properly designed.

Never fall for myth about heat causing damage. Semiconductors are manufactured at temperatures that are many hundreds of degrees. Heat causes damage when temperatures are that much higher. Other will worry about single digit degrees because they do not do the numbers. Think subjectively. The expression "penny rich and pound foolish" applies.

Intel CPUs are operated even in 170 degree C environments. Only reason for failure was timing changes that were too large. No hardware damage results. As your CPU runs faster, those timing constraints become tighter. Many confuse timing changes with damage. Only reason for crashes when (in that example) the CPU exceeds 60 degrees C - timing changes are too large for full speed operation.

What does an Intel CPU do when it becomes too hot? Slows itself down. Which is why an Intel CPU without a heatsink is not damaged.

Heat does not cause damage. That heat causes temporary timing and threshold changes. If those changes are too large, then a CPU crashes.

Do you need watercooling? Only if operating outside of manufacturer specs (ie extreme overclocking) or if your existing cooling (ie heatsink) is crap. Water cooling can be a replacement for a crap heatsink with an excessive 'degrees C per watt' number.

Any PC that does not operate in a 38 degree C room is defective. Either its assembly is defective. Or a semiconductor inside the machine is failing. Semiconductor will probably get worse with age. (How to find a defective computer before its warranty expires.) Heat (at those trivial temperatures) does not cause damage. Heat is a great diagnostic tool to even find defective semiconductors before they start failing later in a 21 degree C room.
 
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Thanks for the feedback so far guys youve been great.

Ive run up a quick items list for a gaming rig (my budget goes up to around £2500). Can any of you suggest any improvements on this rig or is it fine as is?

Anyway here it is:

- Corsair Professional Series AX1200 High Performance 1200W Modular '80 Plus Gold' Power Supply (CMPSU-1200AXUK)
- Asus Xonar D2X 7.1 PCI-E Sound Card
- OcUK Premium Aluminium 4GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive.
- LG BH10LS30 10x BluRay-RW / 16 x DVD±RW Drive - Black (OEM)
- Seagate Barracuda Green 2TB SATA 6Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (ST2000DL003)
- OCZ Vertex 2E Bigfoot 120GB 3.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive
- OcUK GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
- OcUK GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
- Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8)
- Gigabyte Z68X-UD7 Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard
- Corsair Hydro H80 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366/LGA2011/AM2/AM3)
- Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM
- Corsair Obsidian 800D (6GB/s) Full Tower Case - Black
 
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