Help with upstairs home layout.

Too Tall

Too Tall

Too Tall

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Hi guys,

We're in the process of putting a plan together for some work to the house and would appreciate a fresh eye on our plan or some possible fresh ideas.

Below are two pictures of the first floor of the house. The first is the current layout, the second is what we had in mind.

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Currently the loft room is accessed via the second bedroom.

Due to the window next door we are limited by the 45' rule with how far we can build out. The current bathroom is downstairs, we want to move that upstairs and also create a third bedroom (there is another off plan in the loft). Downstairs is being extended also to create a large kitchen diner.

The plan for the first floor we have come up with seems to be a good compromise of the space, but we're really interested for other ideas. in the second image the extra bedroom has a standard double in for size comparison.

We want an extra bedroom, bathroom to be moved to include a shower (separate shower room is OK).

Many thanks in advance.
 
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Would you not be better off switching the smaller bedroom with the bathroom giving you a larger bedroom? Also, separate shower/bath, you could look at making the entire room a wet room instead, remove the need for a shower tray and save a little space.
 
Too Tall said:
The current bathroom is downstairs, we want to move that upstairs
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Do you have any other bathroom facilities downstairs? Regulations dictate that you cant make the situation any worse than it currently is in terms of accessibility.
 
There is a current bathroom downstairs but dates from the 60 's. There is a current half width extension that incorporates the current kitchen and bathroom. The whole house needs renovating.
 
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Thats the current downstairs layout. The extension that's there is getting demolished and rebuilt the full width with a downstairs loo as below.

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We really want to reinstate the front door too as the only current access is via a rear door and one that opens onto the stairs with a 10 inch gap.
 
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Not sure I like having a toilet directly off the kitchen but still it it legal, providing you have a wash basin inside the toilet (Which you probably will anyway.)

Are those boxes upstairs chemenys stacks? Can the on in the bath room be removed for extra space?
 
They are indeed chimney stacks, we did look at getting it removed but decided against it due to the additional cost.

We have thought about relocating the toilet, under the stairs for example, but it's location in the new extension felt like the most ergonomic place for it. We are considering having the door on the other side facing the living room.
 
Where are your waste pipes going? All that re-routing can be a pain.
What are the walls made of?
What are the floors made of?
 
Those are two pretty big-ish rooms downstairs. Have you thought about making the toilet space a little bigger and turning it into a utility type area as well? Always nice to hide away things like the washing machine/laundry etc there.

Also, is the 2nd bedroom only 1.815m wide and ~2.4m long? If so, you may not have a huge amount of space in it for a double bed seeing that they're normally ~1.6m and just over 2m. Seeing as a standard door is 76.2cm you may not even have the room to open it fully with the bed there.
 
Bickaxe said:
Where are your waste pipes going? All that re-routing can be a pain.
What are the walls made of?
What are the floors made of?
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To be fair the waste water situation has been overlooked, due to the shape of the extension it would be a pain to run it outside. Under the floor may be an option?

Existing walls are solid brick floors are currently bare wood.
 
Andyt_uk said:
Those are two pretty big-ish rooms downstairs. Have you thought about making the toilet space a little bigger and turning it into a utility type area as well? Always nice to hide away things like the washing machine/laundry etc there.

Also, is the 2nd bedroom only 1.815m wide and ~2.4m long? If so, you may not have a huge amount of space in it for a double bed seeing that they're normally ~1.6m and just over 2m. Seeing as a standard door is 76.2cm you may not even have the room to open it fully with the bed there.
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Re the issue with the seconds room, i've got measurements for a standard double as 190x135 (cm) which should comfortably fit. Our short term plan is to use that room as a study then should need arise in the future then convert it to a kids bedroom.

The downstairs rooms are quite large, the kitchen will be roughly designed as below.

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So the kitchen will be broken up with a separate seating area going out onto the patio.
 
The Loo door opening onto the lounge double doors would wreck me! I was going to suggest moving the toilet door around to the other side and maybe adding a utility room as well.
 
Too Tall said:
To be fair the waste water situation has been overlooked, due to the shape of the extension it would be a pain to run it outside. Under the floor may be an option?

Existing walls are solid brick floors are currently bare wood.
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It depends on the void space under the 1st floor and which way the beams run. I personally wouldn't make a 6" diameter hole in a beam that's is 9" wide as a) it'll be a pain to fit pipe in, b) be a pain to cut.
And c) your floor might collapse (but I'm not a structural engineer)

I would keep your waste pipes on 1 side of the house, put your bathroom above the downstairs WC so the majority of your plumbing is in one area (and thus cheaper...probably)
 
Clav said:
The Loo door opening onto the lounge double doors would wreck me! I was going to suggest moving the toilet door around to the other side and maybe adding a utility room as well.
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I didn't add it onto the plan but the stairs are on the opposite side of the wall, we wish we could put the door there but its just too tight :(.
 
Bickaxe said:
It depends on the void space under the 1st floor and which way the beams run. I personally wouldn't make a 6" diameter hole in a beam that's is 9" wide as a) it'll be a pain to fit pipe in, b) be a pain to cut.
And c) your floor might collapse (but I'm not a structural engineer)

I would keep your waste pipes on 1 side of the house, put your bathroom above the downstairs WC so the majority of your plumbing is in one area (and thus cheaper...probably)
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Cheers for that, the joists run from left to right as you look at the previous images, so in hindsight due to the sloped roof over the kitchen it may be possible to box the pipes in there without them being seen.

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Toilet position on ground floor was the thing that leapt out to me as well (even before reading the subsequent posts). Main issues being:

1) Outward opening door means it impedes access from one of the double doors. Presumably the toilet door will be opaque and thus you could even have a situation where someone exits the loo just as someone is entering/exiting the kitchen diner and they get totally blind-sided while carrying a drink through or whatever, it just looks like an accident waiting to happen to me. Especially as the door opens into the middle of a room, rather than a corridor or whatever.

2) Just generally don't like the idea of having toilet directly off the kitchen rather than via a utility area, also it is very central so guessing you'll need to run the waste water quite a distance with a shallow drop assuming it has to exit at the front/rear of the property (I'm an absolute plumbing amateur mind!).
 
Agree regarding the door, we may look to moving it 90 degrees so it's facing towards the rear. Having it opening inwards would take up too much room.

The drainage system is actually right next to where that downstairs loo is so it's quite convenient in that respect.
 
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