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Spot73

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Hi, its been 15 years since I built my last Pc (i defected to Mac), but after having a new M1 mac mini for a month and finding it an absolute dog egg, I got Crapple to refund me pronto and decided to revert to Windows.

I am a casual video editor (4k drone), a keen photoshopper and other productivity related user stuff (not really in to games). I've read through these forums a fair bit and general consensus suggests AMD are top of their game right now, so with that in mind (and the fact that stock seems to be a real issue), what are my options for a machine with longevity - lasting 3-5 years with a budget of up to £1500?

Preferably I'd like to stick to a small-ish case, Mini-Itx, unless that's a really bad idea, then I'm happy to listen...I have a 4k monitor already

Thanks in advance
 
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In general terms Ur **** out off luck.

No GPUs In stock. So building a pc it's hard.


When it comes to processor, 5600x (300£) is a good choice price vs performance .
 
AMD is ahead of Intel in multithreaded performance and especially power efficiency:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/i9W8M8HgGaTqRs4bVn5A39.png

No motherboard has integrated GPU.
That was last millenium and GPU has long been integrated into CPU, or not.
While Intel has kept spending silicon area into iGPU, AMD has GPU integrated only into models ending to G on desktop platform socket.
(and for Zen3 architecture iGPU models are so far made only for mobile platform instead of desktop)

If you're not after much of storage devices etc, Mini-ITX does fine with hot high end gaming graphics card.
 
EsaT said:
AMD is ahead of Intel in multithreaded performance and especially power efficiency:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/i9W8M8HgGaTqRs4bVn5A39.png

No motherboard has integrated GPU.
That was last millenium and GPU has long been integrated into CPU, or not.
While Intel has kept spending silicon area into iGPU, AMD has GPU integrated only into models ending to G on desktop platform socket.
(and for Zen3 architecture iGPU models are so far made only for mobile platform instead of desktop)

If you're not after much of storage devices etc, Mini-ITX does fine with hot high end gaming graphics card.
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Thanks, I'm clearly out of date with CPU's/GPU's....thanks for the info :)
 
As mentioned above, one of the AMD APU chips might suit your needs in the short term if you're really struggling getting a graphics card. Currently the 3400G is the mainstream available CPU which is 4 core and a generation old now. I'd say 4 core is at the low end going forward now.

There is also the 4000 series chips which are difficult to get as they are only meant for large system builders (HP, Dell, etc ) ... but you can find them. The top line one is the 4750G which is 8 core + Vega graphics (~£400). At 8 cores, this is much more future proof longer term imho, and if you added a GPU later, you're still left with an 8 core CPU to drive it.

Might be worth waiting a little bit though to see how things play out. The chat is that AMD are announcing a 5000 series desktop APU line up. The expectation is that these will be a bump up from the 4000 series APU's , but more importantly available to all, and not just system builders. This is still to be confirmed though, and release date unknown ... but some of the chat talk about announcements mid March.

This is where I am at the moment, waiting to see whats coming a little. I want to down size to an APU, and the 4750G being the current prime choice.

In terms of being able to edit video etc, I tried davinci resolve studio ( the full version of it, not just the free one) on my son's AMD 2400G computer with 16Gb RAM. It ran fine and smoothly enough for me. Export included options of GPU acceleration that used the internal graphics of the APU which made the exporting decently fast.

In short, it cemented for me the notion that a 4750G APU or the possible newer 5000G series would do me just fine going forward. I dont really play games anymore, so downsizing will let me get an ITX case, and bring down the power usage as well.
 
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Spot73 said:
Hi, its been 15 years since I built my last Pc (i defected to Mac), but after having a new M1 mac mini for a month and finding it an absolute dog egg, I got Crapple to refund me pronto and decided to revert to Windows.

I am a casual video editor (4k drone), a keen photoshopper and other productivity related user stuff (not really in to games). I've read through these forums a fair bit and general consensus suggests AMD are top of their game right now, so with that in mind (and the fact that stock seems to be a real issue), what are my options for a machine with longevity - lasting 3-5 years with a budget of up to £1500?

Preferably I'd like to stick to a small-ish case, Mini-Itx, unless that's a really bad idea, then I'm happy to listen...I have a 4k monitor already

Thanks in advance
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what software are you using for editing ? Photoshop can get away with basic GPU etc
 
thanks for the replies chaps, really appreciate it.......not sure about older generation chips as I'm looking for longevity, so would really rather stick to the newer generation chips, also quite happy to run a lower level graphics card (one that is immediately available) and then upgrade to something a bit chunkier as time goes on - i do quite fancy getting back in to MS flight sim thinking about it, but no rush.

Having scoured around - bearing in mind I'm pretty out of touch - the Ryzen7 5800 looks like a decent performer, so i'll have a look through the threads to see what's compatible and works well together, or, if you have any suggestions for components, i'm all ears.

thanks again, i know you guys are swamped with 'tell me what to buy' questions
 
There are so many options available really - particularly in your budget. Pretty much any GPU (nVidia/AMD) will work with any CPU (Intel/AMD) at the moment. Compatibility issues fall down more to matching your CPU with motherboard. With Ryzen there are essentially 4XX boards and 5XX boards ... the later being the most recent with Gen4 PCIe capability. The 5xx are going to realise you better longevity arguably.

Longevity wise though, AMD have been using the AM4 CPU socket for a number of generations of CPU over the last few years. By all the roadmaps that have been posted / leaked ... that socket is coming towards the end of its life now. Where as before you could get a motherboard and have a fair chance of being able to put the next generation (or even the one after that) into the motherboard you bought originally as an upgrade path, that doesn't look like its going to be the case with the current generation of motherboards. They are potentially looking like the last of their line. So you're upgrade may be limited to putting a better processor of the same generation in it, or more memory / storage, but not the next generation of CPU. << This is still to be confirmed, but its a strong possibility.

That being said ... if you got a current gen 8 core CPU setup ... there is even now the option to up it to a 16 core one ... so in 3 to 5 years time, those 16 core CPU's may be a cheap upgrade.

Memory - get 32Gb ... it'll suffice ... 3600Mhz stuff seems a good balance of speed / price at the moment.

Storage - get an nVME m.2 ssd drive. fast and fits straight onto motherboards with no extra cables.

GPU - million dollar question - if you can get one. They are hens teeth to get at RRP, and over priced by scalpers at the moment elsewhere. I'd suggest a 10-series nVidia card for the video editing side of it ( or AMD equivalent ) ... but it doesn't need to be top line. << Good luck with this aspect!
 
That's great advice, thanks!, Are there any kinda top 5xx motherboards people recommend, same with memory, nVME M.2 drives and cooling?
 
An example build that you can tweek.

Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX (AMD AM4) B550 Mini-ITX Motherboard £174.95
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core 4.7GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail £419.99
Kingston HyperX Fury RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit (HX432C16FB4AK2/32 £149.99
be quiet! SFX-L Power 600W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply £116.991
WD Black 1TB SN750 M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS100T3X0C) £119.99
LL Lian-Li PC-TU150WA Aluminium Mini-ITX Case - Silver Window £99.95
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition CPU Cooler - 120mm £34.99 £34.99
£1116.85

The motherboard has been reviewed as the best itx b550 on some sites.
The DDR4 is on the vendor list for that motherboard, you could reduce cost by going down to 16GB
PSU is what is in stock, you might want to shop elsewhere for a 750w unit, depending on what GPU you want to run
The nvme can be swapped for the blue version to save some money
The case can be changed for a cheaper version, but it takes 3 slot GPU. Hopefully it will also be fine to use in your next build as well. It keeps good temperatures. I use the top space with the handle to store spare screws etc in bags with a zip tie, keeps things tidy & I know where they are
The cpu cooler is just an example and some people prefer others, I use a noctua, see sig. below, on that board. The noctua is easy to fit if you are nervous about installing a cpu cooler, just use a pea size amount of paste that comes with the noctua

If GPU prices were MRSP it would leave budget for an 3060ti. However, they aren't so can't advice on a GPU.

I am sure that people can advice on cheaper cases and other cpu coolers if you want that advice
 
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