hi-fi upgrade which to upgrade?

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following setup currently:

AMP: Nad 315BEE - cheap amp cost me 150 quid
DAC: Cambridge DAC Magic - 200 quid
Speakers: Morduant Short Mezzo 2 - 400 quid

i been thinking of upgrading the amp as its the "cheapest" unit i have out of the 3 devices. which unit upgrade would give the biggest sound improvement to make a balanced system

ovbiously there no point buying 1000 speakers and 150 pound amp? is there?

cheers
sam
 
whats the benefits? i see its an expensive amp but i s the qaulity their

will i noticed a difference?

cheers
sam
 
The weakest link is typically the speakers in any chain because they're the only part that's actually mechanical. Also, so long as an amp can supply sufficient current for the given volume you require without clipping, there isn't a huge difference in tone between amps. That said the frequency response of an amp does change when pushed, so more headroom is beneficial if you like it loud.

It's with these factors in mind I run a £160 power amp with £3000 speakers and am perfectly happy with how it sounds. I'm sure a better amp would give a marginal increase in perceived quality, but realistically my actual room would be a better place to put money first!
 
Get the best speakers you can possibly afford. A better amp is unlikely to make your current speakers sound noticeably better - the only problem is that better speakers may well reveal the limitations of your amp. Welcome to Hi-Fi :)

IMO there are better speakers for the money than the Mezzo 8 but it's all up to your own ears at the end of the day.
 
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If you only have one source of the DAC, then get a pair of active speakers.

a pair of these will do you well..

http://www.thomann.de/gb/adam_artist_6_hochglanz_schwarz.htm

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Some thoughts:
- Personally I think that all of the components in the chain have an impact upon final sound quality. For example, I've heard a pair of speakers like mine driven by a fairly harsh front end. Sounded truly awful.
- Room treatment. Good call, definitely be aware, particularly in small rooms
- Whilst I do NOT advocate spending the most on speakers (once you've finished the system), I DO believe that they are the right starting point, mainly because they have bigger variances in the effect on sound than electronics
- Go have a listen to not just different brands, but different types of speakers. eg. compare stand mounts, floor standers, horns, electrostatics. Get a feel for what's available. Then buy a pair that will work in your room. After that, the electronics simply need to MATCH in a synergistic manner with your speakers.

Unfortunately, getting it right requires some actual time and effort and there is NOT a simple answer. For one thing, different people have different preferences for their gear, so we can't predict whether you will prefer Linn, Naim, Musical Fidelity or whatever else you might like.
 
ome thoughts:
- Personally I think that all of the components in the chain have an impact upon final sound quality. For example, I've heard a pair of speakers like mine driven by a fairly harsh front end. Sounded truly awful.
- Room treatment. Good call, definitely be aware, particularly in small rooms
- Whilst I do NOT advocate spending the most on speakers (once you've finished the system), I DO believe that they are the right starting point, mainly because they have bigger variances in the effect on sound than electronics
- Go have a listen to not just different brands, but different types of speakers. eg. compare stand mounts, floor standers, horns, electrostatics. Get a feel for what's available. Then buy a pair that will work in your room. After that, the electronics simply need to MATCH in a synergistic manner with your speakers.

Unfortunately, getting it right requires some actual time and effort and there is NOT a simple answer. For one thing, different people have different preferences for their gear, so we can't predict whether you will prefer Linn, Naim, Musical Fidelity or whatever else you might like.

cheers.

: i really do like the sound of my current speakers, but the setup is getting old and getting the upgrade itch, if you know what i mean:D
this why i was looking at the Mezzo 8. as they was 800 pound now dropped to 550 asa there EOL. Always wanted floor standers they always look sexy:p

: i thought upgrading the amp/DAC might help the system which could be the case as you said. Also getting a DAC & a AMP together could be a good call Less wires etc
 
Problem with floor standers is that 'cheap' ones are usually far worse than the same money spent on a bookshelf type. The bass can be uncontrolled by comparison, or in some cases no better than a well designed bookshelf / stand mount, yet takes a large space in the room.
 
cheers.

: i really do like the sound of my current speakers, but the setup is getting old and getting the upgrade itch, if you know what i mean:D

sorry if the following is teaching you to suck eggs..

Have you tried setting your speakers up correctly, and by correctly, I mean taking an hour or two adjusting their position in the room for a phantom centre and good balance? Most people don't bother and just plonk them in the corners or something and think it's done with, but by doing that you're missing out on a lot of spatial information - which I mean as on some recordings the room vanishes and you can hear the room that the record was recorded in. Think VR in audio.

If you want to try it, some basic rules.

Speakers should be equal distances from the L&R walls and you should be seated in the centre between the speakers.

The closer the speakers are to their rear walls the louder the bass will sound due to standing waves. Each standing wave boost will also have an opposite reduction at another frequency. The closer the speakers are to the rear wall, the higher in frequency that suck-out will be. If they're too close to the rear wall then you may get suckouts at frequencies where the main energy for kick drums are and it lack energy but with an excessive boom. Get them too far away and the boom will go but you'll lose the boundary reinforcement and you'll lose your bass.

Steps:-

Find a mono recording or play an audio file through foobar 2000 and select its mono DSP setting.

Place the speakers at equal distances from the rear wall (about 8" is a good start) and at equal distances from the side walls (18" or more if you can or close to a equilateral triangle if you want to do it correctly) with no toe in. Listen to the mono recording.

Move both the speakers either away from or closer to the rear walls until the balance between bass, mids and treble is right.

Once the balance is done then you move the speakers in small steps either away from each other or towards each other until the sound becomes less diffused and you can hear it floating in a spot somewhere in the air centred between the speakers.

Once you have worked out the best spot for the "phantom" centre image, you then adjust the toe in of your speakers slightly to focus it some more.

Lastly, tweak 1 speaker position at a time very small amounts of about 1" in either direction until the sound pops into a small point tightly focused between the speakers. You will know when this is as you will be able to pretty much see an imaginary point where the sound is coming from with your eyes open. This is when music stops being a background wall of sound and becomes something which takes you to another place.
This is where higher quality electronics and speakers make all the difference over budget models, striving for it becomes both addictive and expensive - the Primare I mentioned earlier can do this quite well, which is why I suggested it over getting another pair of speakers.

:)
 
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On a serious note, if you can, try to get yourself to a big show like Bristol or Scalford.
That way you'll get exposed to a LOT of different types of kit very quickly.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of it is very "samey", but within there, I'd be surprised if you didn't come away thinking "yeah, that's what I want". Might not be financially viable right now, but if you at least have an idea of where you want to get to, you can put everything in place to make that happen.

Taken me years to get to where I am now, but it doesn't half sound good already, and yet I still know what's next. As it happens, I'm in the process of "negotiating" the next update shortly.
 
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