Home networking and CCTV storage redundancy

Wings

Wings

Wings

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Hi all,

I'm planning out my home networking at the moment, including CCTV. Nothing installed yet.

I think for me the right solution looks like 5 or 6 4k cameras (Dahua TIOC series POE) and a Synology 420+. The role of the 420+ will simply be:

- Wireless backup for our laptops
- Central storage of all media including photos and movies
- Management and playback of CCTV footage

However... If I'm on holiday and someone breaks in, it won't take long to find and steal the 420+. So what I am thinking is I would like a cheap second solution which I can hide somewhere. I guess this would become the 'primary' NVR and in turn back up to the 420+ if that makes sense.

The reason I don't just hide the 420+ is that to properly hide my other NVR it will need to be somewhere fairly remote and unpleasant (depths of attic, garage, wall cavity) etc so not ideal for my primary NAS.

Any ideas?

Thanks!
 
Weigh up costs of buying a secondary NAS and the effort of 'hiding' it versus an ongoing cost of dumping the data in somewhere like AWS Glacier. Especially if you're not going to be retrieving the data often.
 
Throrik said:
Weigh up costs of buying a secondary NAS and the effort of 'hiding' it versus an ongoing cost of dumping the data in somewhere like AWS Glacier. Especially if you're not going to be retrieving the data often.
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Yeah, have done but it's still quite expensive when 6 cameras running at 4k generate around a Tb per 24hrs.

I'm thinking my best option is to buy a second Synology (cheaper 2 bay model) as my NVR, hide it, and run a sync overnight.
 
@Wings, make sure you budget for the extra camera licenses you will need if using a synology NAS. Most of the units only come with 2 licenses by default so you will need to buy a 4 license pack (£170 ish) to be able to connect to the extra cameras. The TIOC cameras I think you are looking at are 5MP (2K).

What would be a good trick, if it is possible, is have a dedicated NVR (something like a Dahua DHI-NVR4108HS-8P-4KS2) in your loft. Providing it can cope with the amount of camera's you need, at the res you want to record at for all cameras. If that could back up to your synology NAS that probably would be the cheapest solution. I am not sure if this is possible, perhaps @WJA96 might be able to comment on that? If so you wouldn't need to buy any licenses for your NAS, and it would provide POE to the camera's if you were able to route all their cables to the loft.
 
That recorder with an 8Tb HDD is £500-ish. As stated by @fobose, don’t buy the 8MP TiOCs if you actually want to see anything in the dark. They use MUCH smaller receptors on the sensor array and they are F1.4 rather than F1.0 on the 5MP cameras. They’re also limited to 2.8mm lenses at the moment I believe.
 
Oh, I did not know the TIOC's were available in 8MP now! Interesting they are not good in the dark - does the built in LED not help with this?

Are you referring to the recorder I mentioned @WJA96? It's £170 + £200 ish for a 8tb drive. Can that type of NVR backup to a NAS automatically?
 
WJA96 said:
That recorder with an 8Tb HDD is £500-ish. As stated by @fobose, don’t buy the 8MP TiOCs if you actually want to see anything in the dark. They use MUCH smaller receptors on the sensor array and they are F1.4 rather than F1.0 on the 5MP cameras. They’re also limited to 2.8mm lenses at the moment I believe.
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Thanks, I'm getting the 4K ones you mentioned in the other thread. Buying the Dahua recorder works if I can have it backup to a NAS automatically!
 
Wings said:
Thanks, I'm getting the 4K ones you mentioned in the other thread. Buying the Dahua recorder works if I can have it backup to a NAS automatically!
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I don’t recall suggesting 4K TiOCs. Anyhoo. It will backup to almost anything with a HDD. Qualified URL, FTP, USB.
 
fobose said:
Oh, I did not know the TIOC's were available in 8MP now! Interesting they are not good in the dark - does the built in LED not help with this?

Are you referring to the recorder I mentioned @WJA96? It's £170 + £200 ish for a 8tb drive. Can that type of NVR backup to a NAS automatically?
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I think the price you’re quoting is for the Lite version of that recorder. It would probably be fine in this application because you don’t need any intelligence in the NVR.
 
That's a much better idea. Obviously 4K is great for bragging rights down the pub but the pubs are shut and actually the picture quality at night isn't nearly as good as the 5MP cameras, which are pretty much the sweetspot. The 2MP TiOCs are just incredible at night but obviously with a 2MP/1080P image you have very limited scope to zoom in. That said, I don't remember anyone ever saying they couldn't recognise any football players in matches broadcast in 1080P or even the old 625 line analogue pictures...
 
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