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Homeworld: Remastered CPU Benchmarks

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Source:http://www.techspot.com/review/970-homeworld-remastered-benchmarks/page4.html

Quite interesting that a remastered title is able to take advantage of the 5960x's extra cache, cores and ddr4 to produce higher scores than the 4790k, even if it's only a tiny difference.

The AMD's get annihilated as usual, I5's showing a commanding lead over them.

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Yeah CPU bound games it is evident. Better threaded games the i3 is left for dust though - even compared to the 6 and 4 cores.

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Oh lord - you're aware that the Intel CPU's shown in that graph are almost 2 years old?

This may come as a surprise to you, but Intel release new CPU's every 6-12 months.

In your graph, we see a I3 2100 from 2011.

Lets take a look at BF4 performance using the newer Intel CPU's, including the I3 4000 series:

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Suddenly the I3's are not left for dust... Wonder why? Oh, because you were showing the 2 year old I3's.
 
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The i3 2100 is from 2011.
And it doesn't miss off the higher tier haswell stuff.
And the graphs aren't comparable.

But meh, who needs facts.

Edited my post to show the I3 2100 from 2011. Further reinforces my point - Thont comparing 2011 Intel CPU's to current AMD FX CPU's, when there are far newer and faster I3's available.
 
From playing Homeworld Remastered myself i can say that graph is a heap of crap. I have an [email protected] and even with all settings maxed i have NEVER dropped below 60FPS.

Homeworld Remastered was tested in a similar manner to StarCraft II. We played a skirmish with seven AI-controlled players in a 4v4 match. The resources were set to their maximum value and we went with a 15 minute build time so players could reach critical mass. Just moments before the first major battle was set to take place we made a save which could be loaded repeatedly.

As the test starts over 200 of my own ships engage the enemy and all hell breaks loose for two minutes. With the GTX 980 frame rates were initially around 140fps at 2560x1600 but that dipped down to 50fps as the ships began to engage each other.

So if we were to benchmark the game in the building stage, gathering resources and what not, then frame rates would be around three times higher than what we are going to show during our massive battle scene, so keep that in mind."

Source (Scroll down to 'Testing Methodology'): http://www.techspot.com/review/970-homeworld-remastered-benchmarks/

They were testing a demanding part of the game - not some mission where there are 3 ships flying around only.
 
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This game is not that taxing on a CPU though. If even in a large battle you are not going under 40FPS and the rest of the game its over 100fps then its going to run fine for most people.

Some of you ought to play Sins of a Solar Empire - performance craters even on Intel setups during large firefights - I would wish for 40FPS then lol.

This is the benchmark run for the graphs you linked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV8iQICQ3VI

Completely worthless as there is nothing going on.

The graph in the OP is a skirmish - which highlights the advantage Intel CPU's have in this game, as well as other CPU intensive games.
 

Quoting from your own link:

Clocked at 4.5GHz the FX-9590 wasn't quite able to max out the GTX 980 like it did at its default 4.7GHz operating frequency with a 5.0GHz turbo boost. The FX-9590 shows how the FX series needs to hustle for the kind of performance you can expect from a much lower clocked Core i5 processor for example.

Pretty much sums it up. You have to clock the FX's into silly 220w+ TDP for them to compete with the I5's at stock for gaming, and that's in one of the best performing games for the FX CPU's. That kinda of heat output during Summer time? no thanks!

Once the 65W broadwell-k CPU's launch in 2-3 months, the gap will only get more embarrassing, in terms of performance, TDP, electricity consumption.
 
I don't see the purpose of having a hard on for intel, which is all this thread seems to focus on. I think that's enough now for the general consensus to see that some of us are terrible at debating.

As martini put it, all the graphs do is cherry pick the strengths. As for two core games that is so two-thousand and late!



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There's nothing to debate.

It's a well established fact that Intel's I5/I7/I7-E range are worlds apart from AMD's 2011 CPU/Chipset in terms of performance, feature set, heat output and electricity consumption.

Or are you suggesting otherwise? :)

The fact that Broadwell-k and Skylake are going to arrive this year will just further exaggerate this huge difference.

Oh and before you mention it, yes they are more expensive, you get what you pay for in this life afterall.
 
Its not just the fact that they are more expensive Dave2150 but they have a gigantic budget that dwarf's AMD's R&D.

Along your rather biased benchmarks I by accident stumbled to this story through the old fashioned 'surfing' (circa 2011 like the dated AMD technology) which caught my eye rather aptly:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/12/intel-loses-eu-antitrust-appeal/?ncid=rss_truncated

Again cementing the reason why their competitors stand little chance but blinkers on eh Dave? :cool:

I'd buy a AMD CPU in a heartbeat if it was competitive in performance, tdp, power consumption and featureset, in all programs, singlethreaded and multi-threaded.

I used to be an all AMD guy - I've owned so many AMD chips - the first being the 1.4Ghz 'Thunderbird' Athlon many years ago (I foolishly bought a 60mm Delta Focused flow fan to cool it, I was 16 at the time, so I can be forgiven for that crazy fan choice :D), followed by athlon xp, 'barton', the original FX dual core.

Sadly I've been with intel since conroe was released.

I'm still using AMD GPU's though, I've never owned an NVIDIA card for example.

I really want AMD to do well - it's just inescapable that Intel offer far superiour products in the mid to high end budget at the moment.

As I've said many times, I really hope Zen is a fantastic architecture and that it's worlds apart from Intel. I'll buy it in a heartbeat.
 
The Intel Witnesses are in strange denial.

Only and I repeat; only when you skew the benchmarks and cherry pick does the I3 win in anything. And the reason behind it is quite clear - bad game support.

It's no wonder who is in charge of our country when there are so many deluded people out there who don't seem to understand that if a CPU isn't supported correctly then guess what? it won't work properly !

FFS how can you take a game that supports two cores, ignores the other six and even so much as think it's even partially fair?

If I took three of the wheels off your car and it refused to budge would you blame the engine? or would you logically and intelligently deduce that the wheels are missing so there is nothing the engine can do about it?

Look. The internet has been around for a very, very long time now. 1/8 of your natural life. If you haven't figured out now that people on there abuse statistics and bend and warp the truth then I feel awfully, horridly sorry for you.



pmsl I might have that one for my sig. You really want them to do well yet you're on here, day after day, ****ging off their processors when you have no actual grasp of how a processor works, nor how software can totally and utterly make or break it, regardless of how bad or good the CPU is.

You're a fanboy and fanboys will stop at absolutely nothing to drive their point home, even if it's as bent as a nine bob note.

Your car analogy doesn't make sense, in my opinion.

Whilst it's true that the FX's shine if a game uses all 8 threads, the fact of the matter is that there are plenty of games out there that don't use more than one or two cores.

AMD knew full well when they introduced Bulldozer, that the majority of games and applications used by mainstream users are not well threaded. They chose to bet on their modular cripple cores, in the hopes that software would change quickly.

Software didn't change quickly, even today we have games developed and released that are not well threaded. This is no-one's fault but AMD's.

I'm not going to get into an argument with you Andy, whether you see me as an Intel fanboy or not doesn't bother me. I've already said that I've owned AMD graphics cards for years, plus I've owned many AMD CPU's in the past, when they were highly competitive with Intel or outright superior.

If Zen is competitive, I'll be sure to consider it if I'm in need of an upgrade.

You questioned whether I could afford an AMD setup as well as an Intel setup - yes I could, since the AMD FX series are very cheap. I however have no use of another PC, beyond my two Intel rigs (I7 gaming PC, Core2 duo server/media streaming PC). My old AMD rigs were sold, though I turned my good old FX-60 CPU into a keyring :)

Oh, it was mentioned in one of the above posts that I didn't consider the FX range of CPU's as having a place in a budget build. This is simply not true - I've stated several times that those who cannot afford the extra £110 or that a I5 4690k and Z97 costs should get an FX series CPU/motherboard.

I'd still recommend that someone in that situation saved up for the i5 though :)
 
Andy - we're in a thread talking about CPU's for gaming.

The current Haswell (Devil's Canyon) i5's and I7's come out ahead of the FX series 99% of the time in benchmarks. They are far faster, consume less electricity and produce less heat than the AMD alternative from 2011.

That is simply the truth. It's also true that the I5 4690K with a budget Z97 board only costs around £110 more than the usual FX 8350 and FX chipset motherboard.

Yes, for those who don't want to spend the extra £110, the FX range is the best in that ultra low budget option.

No matter how many walls of text you produce, you cannot change the facts. The i5's and I7's are far superior in every aspect for gaming.

This will only get worse with Broadwell-K, with it's 128MB of l4 cache being released in 2-3 months.

Your correct in that I haven't personally tested an FX series CPU. Why would I buy something that fairs so poorly in gaming in the vast majority of review compared to the competition, has no upgrade path and is dated technology from 2011?

Do you really believe that the most reputable review sites out there are all in on a conspiracy to produce false benchmark results for gaming?
 
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I've been saying this all of the years I've been into computers and trust me there have been many. 35 at last count.

When it comes to buying computer gear always spend the absolute most you can afford to spend. It's far cheaper and more sensible in the long run to save up and buy the best you can afford because it will stop you spending more money in the long run on upgrades to keep you in the loop.

I fully agree with this post of yours.

Far better to save up for a I5 4690K or a 4790k or a 5820k rather than going for the budget AMD FX CPU, for gaming.
 
If you were fooled then shame on you. TTL banging out gold awards for anything Asus make - BOAK.

I dont read/view many reviews TTL does, so I decided to look into this theory of yours.

Here's what I found with a 5 second google search:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8DtZDcMrps

Video description:

Youd think the ME6 would be awesome because it costs so much and its the flagship 1150 ROG board... We tell you why its no better than boards HALF the price.
 
5820k for gaming? lmao.

You're going on ignore now. As the saying goes -

Never try to argue, or reason with, an idiot on the internet. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/asus_gtx960_strix_review/20

Gold award for a card that's no better than the card it replaced. Bob on !

I find it somewhat ironic that you call me an idiot after my previous two posts demonstrated two things: that you were completely wrong about the TTL Asus awards, and that you contradict yourself yourself, since you clearly advocate saving up for better hardware instead of buying the budget option.

At least it's amusing for the other forum members to read :p
 
When dave cherry picks a benchmark, people who rebute him are doing exactly the same thing.

What we need is one article to rule them all.
100 games. All CPU's, resolutions, mins, averages, the frame times, latency and all that jazz, kept up to date. Then and only then will graph wars be valid.

I agree, such an article would be very interesting to see :)

Here's a random article I found, testing AMD and Intel CPU's in 8 different modern games:

http://www.hardwarepal.com/best-cpu-gaming-9-processors-8-games-tested/

The I5 beats the AMD CPU's in performance in all 8 games.

The article does mention that some of the AMD CPU's are the best option for those on a very tight budget though - something that I agree with.

I also side with AndyALX on this issue though - I'd still recommend saving up for the best you can afford, so in this case the I5 or I7 :)
 
Cherry picking time FTW.

First up Tomb Raider.

Intel



AMD



COD Ghosts, which hilariously looks like this.



Totally different to Dave's of course.

Crysis 3



Dying Light.



And I could go on.

The most important thing to note of course ladies and gents is just how much the COD : Ghosts benchmarks differ. And this, my friends, is why you can't trust reviewers, I mean salesmen, on the internet.

Know why? because you get the crap home and your results are a million miles away.

Those pictures you linked are simply laughable. The only way you can try and make the FX CPU's look respectable is to compare them to old Intel CPU's, Ivy Bridge 3770K's, or testing with very slow and old GPU's (Geforce 680, really? 7970?).

You're calling the benchmarks I linked cherry picking. How was the latest benchmark I linked cherry picking? They testing 8 different modern games, using the latest hardware from each vendor, and using decent graphics cards.

Your simply highlighting one thing - FX cannot compete unless you compare it to older Intel CPU's, or testing with old and slow GPU's, which don't stress the CPU as much.
 
I said they were laughable as most of your benchmarks were comparing the current FX CPU's to old Intel CPU's, that are not the latest available.

I guess I now understand why you failed to be a successful reviewer - your attention to detail is lacking. As is your awareness that using old and slow GPU to test with will narrow the gap between Intel and AMD CPU's.

Compare like for like - what's available now, not 2 years or more ago.
 
You're going on ignore now. As the saying goes -

Never try to argue, or reason with, an idiot on the internet. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

Drawing attention to the fact that Andy cannot make up his mind. Says he has put me on ignore, then proceeds to spam reply to each post I make.
 
I switched to my first AMD when the 1Ghz chip came out, before that I was using a PIII 450 (later a PIII 500). Before that a P100 - circa '93 I reckon.

I have had numerous nvidia cards, more than the ATi I reckon. Just because I own an FX doesnt mean I do not recognise intel. I switched from a C2D E8500 to this system, I just didnt have a king kong budget to spend. :D

LOL at King Kong budget :D

My first PC ever was a 'Tiny' make, with a Pentium 233Mhz with MMX! Technology! :D

Still remember it had a crappy little green heatsink :p
 
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