Hoping to get a better overclock for £100, is this worth it?

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Hi all,

I've not posted here before & firstly I want to thank everyone for putting up some fantastic guides, discussing your overclocking & giving me the confidence to have a go myself.

I've been running this system for 3 years, before that I had an E6300 in a Gigabyte DS3 with some Corsair Value 667 RAM. After fiddling about with the old system & getting better performance I decided to upgrade, but I struggled to get the Q6600 stable at 3Ghz & at stock speed it was still much quicker than the E6300 @ 2.2Ghz, so I ran it at stock settings, until now that is.

I was going to buy an i5 bundle (from OCUK of course) but with money being rather tight at the moment decided to throw caution to the wind & try to push my existing system before placing the order. Well I am now running rock solid at 3.2 Ghz & the jump in performance is significant, no way am I going back to stock speeds again! I want to get the most out of this system before I move on, it's not just about economy, it's good fun & if I can get another year or maybe even 18 months out of it then I'll be very pleased indeed (not to mention more knowledgable).

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So before I ask for advice on what I intend to do I just want to share what I was doing wrong & how I got to a solid 3.2Ghz (solid to me means no CTD's during gaming, no odd things happening, errors, freezes etc).

1. Voltage

I was overcautious when raising the Vcore, 1.32 volts is the most I would go up to. This allowed me to boot to Windows but I'd crash as soon as I ran a game or other demanding application. So this time, as per the beginners guide, I raised the vcore up to 1.4v incrementally at stock speed until I got to a steady 62c under load, only then did I start raising the clock speed. The results, compared to the way I was doing it before (going up bit by bit with both the vcore & the clock speed) were excellent. Stable @ 3.2Ghz, 45c when idling & 63c under load when benchmarking, usually about 61ish when gaming.

2. Multiplier

I had left this on x9 as I figured it was pointless decreasing the cpu speed by setting it lower. After reading on a couple of threads about people getting better results with the muliplier set at x8 I gave this a go & the results were excellent. At x9 I struggled to get to above 380mhz but now steady at 400mhz X8.

3. FSB/RAM Ratio

I used to leave this on automatic, but any overclocking of the RAM (beyond 2-3 mhz) makes the system unstable, so have set this to 1:1 & at 400mhz everything is nice & steady, though I'm not really sure if the actual ratio has any effect on stability. Anything over 400mhz certainly does. Apart from this, the only other RAM adjustments are raising the voltage to 2.1v & setting the timings at 4-4-4-12, as specified by Geil (admittedly I have no idea how to tweak RAM timings so just did what it said on the box).

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This is how I've running the system for the last 2 months & it's performed faultlessly, but I've been wondering how to get more out of it. This is what I have come up with.

A. Get some 1066mhz RAM. The board only goes up to 800mhz, but I can run the RAM @ 800mhz on a 1:1 ratio then when I raise the clockspeed beyond the current 400mhz (which my current RAM doesn't like) i will be able, I hope, to get to 3.6Ghz with the RAM running at 900mhz. I originally intended to get 8gb (4x 2gb) but after reading on here 8gb won't give that much of a performance gain over 4gb for gaming (plus DDR2 is so flipping dear) I've decided to plump for the current capacity of 4gb. 1gb modules are about £20 each.

B. Get a new cooler. The trusty Mk1 Arctic Freezer Pro has served me proud, but as I was running at stock for nearly 3 years the fan hardly turned! With this overclock it's regularly cycling between 50% & full speed unless I'm just web browsing & although not really noisy, its fairly audible. For the sake of £20 a rev.2 model, which is reportedly also quieter seems like an obvious choice to round the cost up to £100.

So that's what I intend to do. I would really like some comments & advice.

Is this a worthwhile uprade? Or is there a better way of going about getting a better overclock?

Is the RAM issue really the bottleneck stopping me from going any faster?

Is there any benefit from 8gb over 4gb for gaming?

4 modules or 2? I could get x2 modules of 2gb & leave 2 spare slots for when I can afford another 4gb, though it will probably be even more expensive in the future. Also, I figured 4 modules rather than 2 would have more pathways & make the memory more accessible.

Anyway thanks for reading, again I really appreciate all the help this forum provides.

Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz
Abit IP35 Pro
4gb Geil PC2-6400 (4x 1gb)
Arctic Freezer Pro (rev.1)
Pallit GTX 460 1gb
OCZ Steath Xtreme 600w
Clear case, x4 80mm Hyperfans
Coolermaster Aeorgate Fan Controller
W7 64-bit Home Premium
 
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Try 400x9 for the cpu
1.45 for the cpu voltage (you may need more).
You will also need to increase the nb voltage to aid with having the 4x memory slots occupied.

The first thing I would upgrade is the cpu cooler. Try and get one with multiple mounting options so if you do upgrade to a different socket in future you wont be wasting your money. This should help a great deal with temps.
 
Hey franco, thanks for your prompt response.

Would 8gb RAM actually stop me from being able to overclock? I had no idea the amount of RAM would restrict me. Why is this?

I'm getting 45c at idle & 61ish when benchmarking or gaming.
 
Hey franco, thanks for your prompt response.

Would 8gb RAM actually stop me from being able to overclock? I had no idea the amount of RAM would restrict me. Why is this?

I'm getting 45c at idle & 61ish when benchmarking or gaming.

Because the more RAM the cpu has to deal with then the less you're able to stress it/overclock it further. So I don't recommend doing this, also, it has no difference in gaming whatsoever going from 4gb to 8gb, except certain games like FSX for example.

40 degrees is about right for Core2 series. You could get a better cooler like this one:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-010-TI&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=1395

You can keep it even if you upgrade as it's compatible with pretty much every CPU.

Or if I were you I'd just save my money. 45 degrees isn't bad for an overclocked Q6600.
 
Hi w3bbo, thanks for your advice.

I will try running at x9 again with the higher voltage.

Regarding the nb (north bridge?) voltage, what is this usually referred to as in BIOS & what sort of voltage increase do you suggest?

So maybe its best to leave the RAM for the moment & stick with a cooler upgrade, I've read that the Corsair H50, although very good, only equals a very good air cooler. Any suggestions?

Would one for about £50 be adequate or maybe something more expensive?

Thanks for the bit about ensuring it fits other newer sockets, didn't really consider that, sound advice.
 
Ahh

When I did a PC course in 2003 we were told to "slam in the RAM" & advised to buy the most you can afford, however this has nothing to do with overclocking & I see your point.

Best stick with 4gb then, all my games run fine on high settings, mostly FPS & horror survival.

That cooler for £35 looks the business, would I be right in assuming it would perform better than the mk2 Freezer Pro (which is on offer at the moment)?
 
Yeah it will perform better then the Freezer, the freezer is a budget cooler at best.

Lol, that's because in those computer courses their teaching you how to sell computers more then anything else and back in 2003, putting more RAM on a computer was a most noticeable upgrade because no one was running around with 4GB, 1GB was the norm for the average consumer and having a 2gb ram gig was considered pro.

If you're willing to spend £50 on a corsair 50 then you should get this instead:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-000-TL&tool=3

with 2x:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-059-AK&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=4

and run a push/pull configuration. I personally think th Corsairs are overrated but meh.
 
NB= northbridge.

It should be in the same section as all of the other voltages.

As for the cooler you would be hard pressed to beat the Noctua or prolimatech megalehems.
 
In your boat I think I'd either stick or go for bust. A small increase above 3.2 just won't be noticeable except in benchmarks. So if you're going to do anything then it might as well be as dramatic as possible.

I agree 101% that if you haven't done it you definitely need to increase voltage to the NB. In fact I'd say that that is most likely to be the main block at present. 400FSB is definitely at the limit for stock NB voltages.

As regards cpu cooling I agree the Fenir is ideal and while the Noctua NH-D14 Dual Radiator job is fractionally better I personally don't think it is worth twice the price of the Fenir.
 
w3bbo

I just set the multiplier to x9 & vcore to 1.45 (1.14475 was the clostest to 1.45 in BIOS), posted ok but failed to boot to windows.

Left the vcore at 1.45 & put the multiplier back to x8 & booted to windows fine.

Practically idling here now with just the web browser open & temps are up from 45c to 47-48c, so I expect any benchmarking would put load temps up to about 65ish.

franco

Yes that cooler looks much meatier that the Freezer pro, definitely going to invest in a new cooler & then do another round of benchmarking.

w3bbo

Unable to locate the nb voltage in but will have another look after reading through the beginners thread again, it must be named as something else in my BIOS.

This cooler looks good but out of stock

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-010-NC

Found this one on offer

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-010-PL

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Yes I agree I want to squeeze as much as I can out of the current system, guess that's the norm for overclockers :)

If 400 mhz is the limit for stock nb voltage then I have reached that limit as I haven't changed it, but will find it & raise it.

Lot's of Noctua stuff is out of stock in OCUK so I guess that means it's sought after, might settle for the Prolimatech Super Mega Cooler & 2 Noctua fans.

Thanks guys.
 
That cooler is the big bro of the one I linked :).

Very good but will be expensive with 1 or 2 fans which will cost you an additional 15/30 pounds so a total of £80 all together for a cooler.
 
Thanks wingzero30, looks like the default MCH voltage setting is 1.25v which I've never adjusted before. Looking at a few previous threads some people go up to about 1.4v so I might just go up incrementally while raising clockspeed to see if I can get higher than 3.2Ghz.

Yeah franco you're right but if it results in a higher overclock then its still worth it as I can afford £100 &, seeing as I haven't done any upgrades to the system in 3 years, it's provided good value anyway.

I've settled for one of these:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-005-PL&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=1395

With 2 of these:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-057-AK&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=4

One thing I was wondering was where am I going to connect the additional fan? Looks like there is only one CPU Fan Header on my board. Can I piggyback one onto the other & just have one plugged in?
 
Thanks wingzero30, looks like the default MCH voltage setting is 1.25v which I've never adjusted before.


With 2 of these:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-057-AK&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=4

One thing I was wondering was where am I going to connect the additional fan? Looks like there is only one CPU Fan Header on my board. Can I piggyback one onto the other & just have one plugged in?

:)

Tha Akasa viper fans (yellow colour) which franco mentioned are better than Akasa Apache fans. You may aswell get viper fans as they cost £1 more.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-059-AK

To connect 2 or more cpu cooler fans, I believe you are going to need one of these PWM splitter cable:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CB-031-AK
 
I have 8GB RAM and have had my Q6600 at 3.6ghz stable in prime overnight so it CAN be done. My RAM is 1066mhz though, not 800mhz. Quite possibly I am lucky, but to say it CAN'T be done is wrong. :)
 
I did check out the fans franco linked to but unfortunately they are out of stock, I guess because they're the fan of choice. Might wait until Weds to see what's on offer "this week only" & maybe they'll have more in by then.

That little splitter is just the job, I suspected simply piggybacking 2 cables onto 1 plug wouldn't provide enough power for both fans, looks like the Alaska Splitter cable enables me to connect directly to the PSU & be controlled by BIOS settings via the cpu fan header, nice one.
 
I did check out the fans franco linked to but unfortunately they are out of stock, I guess because they're the fan of choice. Might wait until Weds to see what's on offer "this week only" & maybe they'll have more in by then.

That little splitter is just the job, I suspected simply piggybacking 2 cables onto 1 plug wouldn't provide enough power for both fans, looks like the Alaska Splitter cable enables me to connect directly to the PSU & be controlled by BIOS settings via the cpu fan header, nice one.

Yeah this is what I thought aswell about akasa pwm splitter. Why don't you configure your trust account and I might be able to email you some details in your trust as where to get those Akasa Viper fans:).

Edit: Ok bainbridge I sent you email in your trust. Please do let me know you received it :)
 
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3.4Ghz stable for the the first time WOOHOO!

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Running the Northbridge voltage at stock was stopping me going any further, thanks guys.

Notched it up from the default 1.25v to 1.33v & put multiplier up to 9x, vcore @ 1.45v

Tried running at 3.6Ghz (400x9) but BSOD when loading Windows, cranked back the clockspeed bit by bit & finally got to desktop at 3.4Ghz (378x9, 1:1 RAM)

Idling at 46/47c, after about 15mins under load temps were 68c flickering onto 69c so decided to go back & see what was the lowest voltage I could use to sustain 3.4Ghz under load.

Reduced the vcore to 1.39v, which was stable @ 3.2Ghz (400x8) before. Temps were better but had BSOD about 5 mins into testing under load, same for 1.41v & 1.42v. Stable with 1.43v with temps at 68c under load. This is the best stable overclock I've managed to get with this hardware (& my limited overclocking knowledge).

Had the following delivered, ready to go in on the weekend:

Prolimatech Super Mega Cooler
Akasa 120mm Viper Fans x2
Nuts, bolts, plastic washers & Arctic MX-2 for the IP-35 bolt mod.

This will undoubtedly bring down temps & enable me to raise the vcore, but there's a couple of things I'm unsure about..

The Super Mega Cooler contains 2 sets of spring-loaded securing bolts, one of these sets carries a warning saying they provide 70lbs of pressure which exceeds Intel's specs, there's a warning on both the box & the instructions. I've been reading about how higher compression between heatsink & cpu provides better thermal transfer & want to use these powerful bolts. Is this unwise?

Now that I'm raising the Northbridge voltage, & of course the NB temperature, how do I measure this? Is it the "PWM" temperature reading in BIOS hardware monitor? If so is there any way of reading this once booted into the O/S?

Any comments or advice will be really appreciated.
 
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The 70lb rated screws will be fine, just dont over tighten them, use the super mega on my i7 with those screws and vipers, very good cooler, and the vipers are great on it.
 
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