How can I spy on 2 gits who are on my net?

[FatRakoon]

I got 2 gits on my LAN. I have not enabled any security and I can happily do that for sure, but Im not going to at this time.

I want instead to somehow have access to their PCs to really get them back

They have deliberately somehow managed to wipe my PCs and yes this is with WAP / WEP

mcwizard-PC 192.168.1.65 00:19:7E:6C:29:26

Owner-PC 192.168.1.67 00:192:65:E7:B8

What can I do?

 

[FatRakoon]

Secure your network and put it down to experience.

What they have done is in breach of the computer misuse act as would be what you propose to do, so best to stop while they are the only guilty ones.

NOT AN OPTION.

They have doen this before, the Police dont care they they keep wiping my files, they really dont give a stuff at all.

Security is NOT any use either as I have bneen using WEP for the last few months and they have somehow managed to get past that with very little effort and WPA Preshared key posed absolutely no problems at all for them it seems???

Flood there pc's with the dos chat thing over your lan .

Im listening...


Hang on, are you on about the built-in thingy in the CMD Prompt... NET SEND or whatever???

I have never managed to get this thing to work properly?

I have even tried doing it through both the CMD Line and the Window box, but never once managed it...

Whats its syntax?

Can you give me an example please that should work???

 

[FatRakoon]

If they have got in, are you be sure they haven't installed software to log anything you do. i.e. setting a password. If it's not a total nightmare I would do a clean install and change passwords including installing antivirus/spyware software before connecting to the internet and don't forget windows updates.

Oh by the way change your desktop background it's soooo high street pc. Only joking.

Well, to be honest, *** last couple of days, I have installed Vista, thats all but killed my partitions on my main PC so all day yesterday its been messed up. As of this morning, that PC is now back on XP ( Thank the lord for an OS that actually works ).

So, while its a fresh install, its also been unsecured for a fair bit of time too!

But the security is in the router, not the PC.

I need to check all the routers settings thoroughly again I think.

 

[FatRakoon]

Make sure your router password isn't the default one.

OMFG!!!!

How stupid am I?

Yes, it is....

Thanks for that.

( Goes off mumbling like a ******* )

I just had a play with my Laptop on the router... While I was unable to change anything, I was fully able to see what settings it had...

...EVEN MY WEP KEYS / Passphrase ETC... All in plain sight!!!!

Oh my god, how dumb am I?

Thanks mate... Thanks a lot.

Pint on its way.

Oh, ps... Appropriate username there mate!!!

 

[FatRakoon]

is this april 1st? some sort of windup?

i just can't believe what i'm reading here.

ok accessing your network via unecrypted wireless is one thing. but your machines are in such a state, they're actually letting people delete files over the network? the mind boggles, it really does....

No, its not.

Well firstly, I have been running the network pretty securely ( I thought ) I had WPA and a thick name, and yet these guys kept getting into my network... No matter what I did, they could by-pass the key in minutes.

This really got to me.

So, for the last few days, I decided that I would leave it open in the hope that maybe I could get at them.

Then, I find out that I missed out on the most basic thing of all... My router password was the default one.

I assumed that because I had set everything to NOT be alterable via wireless, I didnt realise that the info could still be seen... I assumed that it could not via wireless as that what I had set, but it was still visible and therefore, all they had to do, was enter the WPA key as it showed...

I dont think taht was me being silly but rather missing out on something that everyone might have done at some time.

As for the police, we are talking North Wales police here. I could go on for hours and hours about stabbings, shootings, kidnappings etc, where no one has even been questioned, but you do 1mph over the limit they throw the book at you!!!!

Anyway, I have killed off the Wireless for now... I will enable it as and when I need it.

Thanks for the help guys.

 

[FatRakoon]

If you can use wpa2. When you use psk mode with wpa it is vunerable to password cracking if you use weak passphrases.

Well thats just it.

Some time ago I was told to use a stupidly massive PassPhrase and so I did.

Its now gone of course, but the one I used was

"everytimeidropmycecksthewifehasagoodlaughatmeforsomereason"

Pretty secure Id have thought, but as I have only just found out by having a play on my LapTop, that a simple 192.168.1.1 and entering admin/admin got me in... It also got anyone else in who wanted to see my PassPhrases / keys / etc etc etc.

I assumed that since I had selected the options to disable wireless management, that they could not see this...

I was wrong.

Its all gone now though.

 

[FatRakoon]

They can't connect to the router until they connect to the wireless network, meaning they need to have the WPA key before they can log in. Having the router as default password is not nearly as insecure as you seem to think.

How did they get in then?

I tried a number of things, Im not totaly thick when it comes to security, but each and every time I tried something, they were back in... In minutes too, not days, not weeks, but minutes..

Everything I did, they got in.

Everyone keeps sayign try WEP, try WPA, try WPA2, try sticking the router up my arse, I did all of this, but every single time I did something.... They got back in, is minutes.

The only thing I can think of, is that on one of my LAN PCS, there is soemthign sending my info out to them? - somethign that they were able to plant some time ago perhaps?

The next option I have, is to go round each of the LAN PCS one by one and go through them with a fine tooth comb and see if I can see somethign abnormal?

Other than that, I plain simply dont know.

Im only hearing stuff that I already know about, and its driving me up the wall!!!!!

 

[FatRakoon]

Thanks again all.

What I am doing, is going through the entire LAN and re-formatting and reinstalling the PCs O/Ses.

I have also swapped over my routers, and at this time I have only my main AMD and this Conroe on the network... The others have all been unplugged for a bit.

I have only just reinstalled both these 2 PCs in the last 2 days and I will reinstall them both later on... So that even though I am probably wasting my time in doing so, I know I will be 100% happy and for a time, NONE of my PCs will be connected to the LAN and when they do, it will be with fresh installs and they will be network virgins as it were.

This will effectively kill off any chances of there being some rogue app running about my LAN.

Although I recon MS will wonder why all of a sudden a dozen PCs from the very same I.P will all be grabbing updates all at the same time... LOL

Im simply going to avoid wireless - I cant put it any simpler than that really.

 

[FatRakoon]

I suppose they can't exactly call the authorities if you do something to their pc's as they would get in just as much trouble for illegally logging onto your lan.

there's really no need to avoid it just because you didnt look it down last time

True, but the amount that I do use Wireless is very little... Losing Wireless isnt really going to kill me as its deathly poor against Ethernet anyway.