How did you become left-wing?

dont really feel theres a right/left wing issue anymore.

but for the sake of discussion i guess im right wing...

**** people that cant be arsed to get a job or do anthing of worth whilst scrounging off the state - how is that a GOOD thing for anybody?? you cant help people if they dont help themselves first.

Labour over the years have quite frankly turned this country into a sespit of b******, and I for one am glad were back to conservative reign.
 
I've never been "Left wing" and after experiencing more than one Labour Gov't (Winter of discontent, I was young but do remember it!) - I'll never be "Left Wing".
 
BunnyKillBot said:
I became left wing when i put on a brain and opened my eyes to the world. Right wingers live in a fairy tale.
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And it's the complete opposite to me, i see socialists as living in some kind of la la land where money is free and personal freedom can be sold off at a wim
 
Did a degree in politics, realised the concept of wings and political leanings doesn't represent most peoples views in any fair way.

Then remembered most right wing nuts can be in the same broad group of *them* so iv not had to do much in the choosing department
 
I'm not really sure what side I lie on politically, usually when I take tests on the subject I come out pretty much in the middle and when I read through all the parties' manifestos during the run up to the election it didn't seem like any party in particular really made me think 'these guys are right, I agree with them almost entirely'. Honestly I think the conservative/lib dem combination comes closest to representing whatever little in the way of political ideology I do hold. That said often when I hear people talking about political parties in terms of their economic stances, all I can really think of is this:

 
kwerk said:
Seems like nearly everyone on here subscribes to the ideas of "democratic socialism", outright socialism, or full blown communism.

Serious question, how did you come to have left-wing leanings (if you have them)? Where did you learn about it and what made you believe in it? Not saying it's wrong, I just want to know how this happened.

School?
Parents?
Friends?
TV?
Your own research?

Who would you say formulated this belief system in your mind?
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I'm not left wing, but I understand it.

People become left wing because they see massive injustice. They see gap between rich and poor is so large. Rich people earn 300x more than poor people, and they want to close that gap. They understand that civil unrest can come from that gap.


They understand this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution

They see poor people living in bad areas, with bad schooling, and they want to throw money at them, to turn it around.

Stuff like that.

I was left wing growing up, why? Because i saw the injustice between social class. Being reasonably well off, I felt guilty that some of my friends could not live the way I did. Why could I live in a half million pound house, and they could just about afford to live on a council estate. I could not work out why society puts more value on me, than them.

A lot of right-wing people don't actually see this. A lot of modern right wing people, are in fact sheltered poor people who don't see how the middle classes and upper classes live compared to them. Don't see how their labour is undervalued, compared to the professional classes or people with businesses.


I'm closer to libertarian then authoritarian which is what most main stream right wing groups are in the UK, and smack back in the middle of left - right. I believe its better to undercut and compete with the rich people, than forcing wealth from them. People don't have that fighting attitude. I think that trying to artificially trying to change the wealth distribution can cause problems else where. I think the idea of the class system should go, i think should pay people in accordance to supply and demand rather than perceived value(People are more willing to pay a lawyer more than a car mechanic, despite being plenty of lawyers).
 
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kwerk said:
School?
Parents?
Friends?
TV?
Your own research?

Who would you say formulated this belief system in your mind?
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I came to my current standpoint which is post-capitalist socio-environmentalism through my own research. It is what I consider the right thing to do.
 
robgmun said:
And it's the complete opposite to me, i see socialists as living in some kind of la la land where money is free and personal freedom can be sold off at a wim
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The left wants to save the world, the right wants to burn it. The left wants to deliver a sustainable world to our children, the right wants to exploit the now for as much self gain as possible and screw the consequences. The right, at its core, is selfish, carring more for me and mine, than thee and thine, and i find it grotesque, insulting and degrading.

I see the left as being the rights of the collective, the right as being the rights of the individual, down as being freedom and up as being fascism. I believe totally in the free collective - an ironically more democratic state of being than the enslaved individual.
 
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kwerk suffers from Norman Tebbitt Syndrome: the belief that their (very Right-Wing) views are actually centre, so anyone to the left of them must therefore be Left-Wing. There's a more concise way of phrasing that, but it's against forum rules.


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You'll find a good mix here from slightly to the right of Genghis Khan to far left nutters; At present, the right hold the high ground but a few brave souls from the left still pop their heads above the parapet on occasion. ;)
 
I went 3d and left the basic left/right wing political spectrum, yeah, I'm cool.


Seriously, in American terms I see it as Republic, right wing, too anti gay, anti foreigner(without being able to see the hypocrisy), small government, without wanting to tax everyone to death and hand it all back in various hand outs. Democrats as pro gay, less religious, liberal, big government and wanting to "fix" everything, high taxes to hand out to whoever the new cause is.

Republicans in general aren't as religious as they pretend, or anti gay/anti black but they are scared of losing the voters who are those things so play it up. Democrats , left wing, want the right things but want it all right now and borrow to do it, they do everything for that second without any planning for the future. I see them like children, right idea's sometimes, very naive, wrong execution.


In england conservatives are somewhere inbetween, closer to the morals of the Democrats but actually being able to work out that spending must follow the economy, less naive and more real world.

Labour are like democrats, pretty much, but probably worse in that they want big government, aren't quite as "lets save the world" and have the most hateful god damned leaders of any of the parties.

I'm left and right wing, mostly in a way that works at as conservative, but not at all happy with their execution, partly their own fault, a LOT Labours fault with the constant fighting and lying to score political points rather than helping to fix the mess they created.
 
Tefal said:
I'm getting kind of sick of being told what we are....
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But how else would you know what you are if it wasn't for kind people telling you?

Meridian said:
kwerk suffers from Norman Tebbitt Syndrome: the belief that their (very Right-Wing) views are actually centre, so anyone to the left of them must therefore be Left-Wing. There's a more concise way of phrasing that, but it's against forum rules.


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I was just about to post something very similar, it's that the calibration of the scale used it rather skewed. There's a number of both left and right wing posters on here with obviously the greatest spread between the two extremes but it can be difficult to tell sometimes given the volume with which some people post about their opinions almost drowning out anyone else.
 
kwerk said:
Seems like nearly everyone on here subscribes to the ideas of "democratic socialism", outright socialism, or full blown communism.
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:confused:

This forum has some of the highest number of right wing views I have ever read ?

Also I think all political systems are currently borked.

What we need is some kind of utopia like on star trek in the federation.
 
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