How do I encourage insurance to write off?

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Someone on their phone rammed me on a roundabout causing me to spin and crash into the central reservation causing a lot of damage to my car.

The car was 2 weeks old with less than 200 miles on the clock... pretty gutted.

The woman was cautioned at the scene and is being prosecuted for driving without due care and attention so blame isn't a factor.

The problem is the insurance company want to repair the car and I really don't think this is right. I know it's down to them but it's a literally band new car and there is no way the repair will be perfect.

I paid £18,200 for the car direct from ford and the two quotes for repair I've seen are £6,500-£7,500 from a third party repair shop and £6,700-£7,800 from a ford repair centre.

Speaking to the insurance assessor was like banging my head against a wall, regardless of the angle I took he just kept saying "We're a long way away from £18,000 so I can't consider a write off" over and over.

Speaking to the accident repair manager at the ford repair centre he explained that the figures he had given (6.7 and 7.8) were only for the "definitely needed" part of the repair, this included panels, steering rack, front suspension on one side, two wheels, two tyres and blending the paintwork (pearl so not insignificant). He said they suspect the rear axle is also bent but they can't quote for that until they fix the front so they can't put it in their initial quote. I also asked if they had looked all around the vehicle or just at the obvious damage - they hadn't and when they looked there is damage to both driver side alloys from the rough surface when the car spun and possibly both tyres too.

So the way I see it, assuming £7,800 + £750 for the axle + £480 for the two alloys + £300 for the tyres we're talking about a possible figure of more like £9500.

I felt like he was trying to tell me something that he wasn't allowed to say outright, he told me to push "hard" (pause, "haaard") for a write off and that while they would do a really good job it was a "major repair" and a few times he said it's going to be a "repaired car" not a new car. All of those things are obvious but the way he said them sounded a bit like wink wink, nudge nudge, if you get what I'm saying... but obviously I didn't get exactly what he was saying :P

Is there some magic phrase I'm supposed to say to the insurer to get them to write it off?

It seems hugely unfair that some stupid dangerous person can wreck my brand new car and I have to end up with a patched up heap that no doubt will have both cosmetic and mechanical issues down the line.

The dealer is going to give his final estimate to the insurance company tomorrow and ask the insurance assessor to call me before OKing the repair. He said he'd mention the axle but couldn't put it in his quote and that I should talk about it with the assessor. I'll raise that and point out that I'm going to go over the car with a fine toothed comb after the repair and reject it for anything I see (as it was brand new), scratches, chips, out of line panels, damaged rubber, paint that doesn't look right, etc. But I don't think this will be enough to convince him to write it off.

I realise that the book value is a lot lower than the 18k retail price but my insurer have a "new car promise" whereby they will order a new car in the same exact spec as yours from the manufacturer if they write it off in the first year. Thats why I'm gunning for a write off so hard.

I don't know if I'm being overly pessimistic about the quality of the repair but over 50% of the panels are wrecked and there is damage to both the front and back suspension.... I just can't imagine it'll ever be right again and when I come to sell it I'm sure a keen eyed person will be able to spot it's been in a crash. If I do get it back I'm probably going to sell/part ex it ASAP because it's spoiled in my mind, I'll constantly be looking for faults and won't be able to enjoy it.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks
 
I had a brand new ford ruined 3 weeks after I bought it. It's horrible, and has put me off ever buying a brand new car again. Mine was repaired, but I could always tell. The colour always looked off to me, even if no one else could see it, I knew it was there.

I don't have any easy answers, just my sympathy.
 
Hm smashed headlights and tail lights can help but you're past that point as they weren't done on impact.

Can you push to get the damage assessed by a second/third garage and tell them you want them to quote everything Inc the rear axel. Explain the chassis might be bent and that you can't accept a car that is put straight by changing the tie rod angles and alignment settings etc.

tell them to get it on a ramp and make some measurements of everything. Get them to look for damage to slam bars behind bumpers and panels. You might have to pay for tbis up front worse comes to worst but ot would be worth it imo.
 
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Argue the point that the car should be back to the state it was before in the incident. Repaired car =/= new car.

I tried this one and he said what I had wasn't technically a new car, it was a 2 week old car which the book said was only worth £13,500. Which sounds like crap to me. That may be the part ex value or something but you can't buy an ST2 with < 1000 miles on the clock for less than £17,500 as far as I can see.

Hm smashed headlights and tail lights can help but you're past that point as they weren't done on impact.

Can you push to get the damage assessed by a second/third garage and tell them you want them to quote everything Inc the rear axel. Explain the chassis might be bent and that you can't accept a car that is put straight by changing the tie rod angles and alignment settings etc.

tell them to get it on a ramp and make some measurements of everything. Get them to look for damage to slam bars behind bumpers and panels. You might have to pay for tbis up front worse comes to worst but ot would be worth it imo.

I'm going to tell the insurance assessor I'm not happy with how through the quote is and that I'd like to go walk around the vehicle with their assessor and make sure they've added everything that needs to be done. I'll ask them about the slam bars but I *think* they might have already done that, they've taken all the panels off to check underneath for sure. Regarding the axel I'll press on that but it sounded like the insurer stipulate how alignment checking had to be done - I'll double check that with the insurance assessor too.

Out of interest, are you dealing with your insurer or the third party insurer?

I'm dealing with my insurer. I assumed they'd be more helpful since they are my insurer and all the costs go to the third party but they seem to be following a really anal script that they'd use in every case.
 
Couple of guys at work have had very similar issues, one guy with a 6 month old company car that was totally demolished in a rear end accident but due to the value it was repaired. pre-tensioners fired, plenty of new panels and almost 3 months in the bodyshop later - it still goes in for odds and ends not working almost 12 months on. Another guy had his personal car (Mini CoopS) similarly damaged in the first 3 weeks and he sold it on after the repair as it obviously was never going to be right :(

Feel sorry for you - no easy way out of this one as from the sounds of the quotes, you are quite a way off hitting the value of the car :(
 
I had a brand new ford ruined 3 weeks after I bought it. It's horrible, and has put me off ever buying a brand new car again. Mine was repaired, but I could always tell. The colour always looked off to me, even if no one else could see it, I knew it was there.

I don't have any easy answers, just my sympathy.

Thanks for the sympathy. I'm expecting that's exactly how I'll be if I get it back. Even the "richer, better depth" sprayed on paint (vs the static stuff from the factory) will be a thorn in my eye every time i look at it.

I can't imagine I'll get a very good price for it part ex but I'd feel a bit bad selling it privately without disclosing I'm getting rid of it because it's been half smashed to bits and shoddily repaired by some cowboys...
 
Couple of guys at work have had very similar issues, one guy with a 6 month old company car that was totally demolished in a rear end accident but due to the value it was repaired. pre-tensioners fired, plenty of new panels and almost 3 months in the bodyshop later - it still goes in for odds and ends not working almost 12 months on. Another guy had his personal car (Mini CoopS) similarly damaged in the first 3 weeks and he sold it on after the repair as it obviously was never going to be right :(

Feel sorry for you - no easy way out of this one as from the sounds of the quotes, you are quite a way off hitting the value of the car :(

Yea, it seems like an edge case that hasn't been tested in court. I'd be willing to bet if I had the cash and I took the other parties insurance company to ombudsman/court it would be possible to argue they should do something different if the car is what a reasonable person would call "new". I don't have the time, money or inclination to become the precedent unfortunately :(

I mean, if they think it can be repaired to a like-new condition, why don't they give me a new one, repair that one and sell it on. They recoup some of their costs, I'm happy, everyone is happy except the third party insurance company pays out a few more k - in my case this would probably be < £5,000.
 
go from then value of a cat x damaged car isnt worth the same as a normal car, value will be a lot less. then go to other repairer for quotes

also speak to your insurance they should help
 
I can't imagine I'll get a very good price for it part ex but I'd feel a bit bad selling it privately without disclosing I'm getting rid of it because it's been half smashed to bits and shoddily repaired by some cowboys...

HPi check would show the recorded accident anyway so the value will be severely hit where ever you sell it.
I can't see the insurers writing it off unless you can argue that even repaired it would never be anywhere its value immediately before the crash.
 
go from then value of a cat x damaged car isnt worth the same as a normal car, value will be a lot less. then go to other repairer for quotes

also speak to your insurance they should help

Apparently it won't be cat anything - they say nothing will be recorded anywhere because the damage isn't sufficient enough. But yea, anyone who knows what they are looking for will be able to see evidence.

I'm dealing with my insurance provider but they don't really seem to be on my side particularly :(

I don't know if it's a bit conspiracy theory of me but my insurance provider and the 3rd parties are part of the same group... maybe they try to keep each others costs down...?
 
Well, if the insurance company insist on repairing it, you can reject it until it meets your satisfaction. And you can tell them that unless it's 100% un-noticeable after repair, that you will continue to reject it until you are happy. And then push that because of the fact that it will be a repair, it isn't going to be 100%, so it is unlikely to be accepted as fixed.

I read somewhere that cars normally get written off when repair + hire car costs hit 70-75% of the car's book value. The %age depends on the exact insurer.

If you keep rejecting the repairs, the hire car costs will continue to rise, and they would be as well writing the car off, and paying out.
 
sadly its because the price from Ford is including their profit, which the insurance company are not liable for.
The repairs will take the car back to the state it was in before the accident, which wouldn't be a brand new car because you are the first owner. Even going through the third party insurance company you will be faced with the same problem

Only thing you can do is be critical when it comes to collecting the vehicle if you get it repaired, any problems get it back in for rectification work.

you can see if the ombudsman will review the file to see if it been handled fairly however I believe they would see that its fair that the insurance company pay the repair costs which is far less/less than the price of a brand new vehicle.

Its a bad situation to be in, unfortunately i don't think the outcome will be one that you are going to be 100% happy with

Edit - regardless of whether the insurance company cover one or all the cars involved, competition law would still govern them so they can not fix the price. Rectification work doesnt count towards the total cost of the vehicle as usually the insurance company would seek these costs back from the garage who haven't completed the work correctly.
 
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I think your only option is to reject the car until you are totally satisfied with the repair.

Fox has experience of this so may offer some advice.
 
if the work is done properly to 'as new' standards then it really should be like new

especially when you are fully within your rights to make sure that it has been done properly




you could even end up with a car thats made up of 0 mile parts rather than 200 mile parts and which has been put together by people that care a little rather than the human machines on the production line . you could also get fobbed off over and over again until your only slightly happier than before. :(

nightmare scenario though and would hate to be in it myself
 
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