How long before Intel catches up with AMD/Nvidia

Nelly · 9 Dec 2012 at 23:36

Thought I would try Wolfenstein:ET with Intel HD 3000 onboard graphics @ 1920x1200, constant 60fps, graphics wasn't perfect, but it works...

I'm not sure what happend with AMD/ATI, but the game no longer worked with my old 6950, I've been told OpenGL is broke with their cards... well for this old game.

Makes you wonder how quick Intel is catching up, it's definitly better than playing it on a Nvidia – ELSA GLADIAC GeForce 2 GTS 32MB lol.

mickyflinn · 9 Dec 2012 at 23:40

A 6950 will beast the intel graphics, one game does not reflect the true picture.

Martini1991 · 9 Dec 2012 at 23:43

mickyflinn said:
A 6950 will beast the intel graphics, one game does not reflect the true picture.

He's not pretending it does.

And erm, a long, long, long time I'd expect.
Intels HD4000 can't beat the old Llano A8's IGP.

Nelly · 9 Dec 2012 at 23:43

mickyflinn said:
A 6950 will beast the intel graphics, one game does not reflect the true picture.

Oh definitly... AMD/ATI altered something in their drivers a few year ago, and no one can play Wolfenstein:ET with AMD/ATI cards, works with Nvidia though.

I was just amazed than the HD 3000 could easily cope with Wolfenstein:ET, I know it's an old game, but like I mentioned an old GeForce 2 is no match for the Intel HD3000 with this game.

I still get addicted to this game every now and then...

Martini1991 · 9 Dec 2012 at 23:44

Nelly said:
Oh definitly... AMD/ATI altered something in their drivers a few year ago, and no one can play Wolfenstein:ET with AMD/ATI cards, works with Nvidia though.

I was just amazed than the HD 3000 could easily cope with Wolfenstein:ET, I know it's an old game, but like I mentioned an old GeForce 2 is no match for the Intel HD3000 with this game.

Not surprising really.
People can happily game on a HD4000 at 720p resolutions (Some older games, Halo etc would run flawlessly)

weehamish · 9 Dec 2012 at 23:52

Will intel make dedicated cards?

Nelly · 9 Dec 2012 at 23:52

Martini1991 said:
Not surprising really.
People can happily game on a HD4000 at 720p resolutions (Some older games, Halo etc would run flawlessly)

Well it's kinda made me happy, I didn't want to be crippled with not being able to play Wolfestein:ET, if I bought an AMD/ATI card. Now, I can simply switch to onboard graphics.

I wonder what the HD 4000 is on par with i.e. Nvidia, or AMD/ATI equivelent...

I never bothered to try Intel onboard with games, I just thought it served desktop purposes i.e web browsing, office work etc.

Tonester0011 · 9 Dec 2012 at 23:57

I'm pretty impressed with both HD4k and the Trinity APUs tbh.
My friend games with me regularly with his HD3k laptop, he was going to get a Trinity Samsung laptop, but funds didn't allow =(

I'd say the HD4k is on par with the HD6450+? Not too sure as i've honestly never used mine

I keep meaning to bench it and then overclock it.

Martini1991 · 9 Dec 2012 at 23:58

weehamish said:
Will intel make dedicated cards?

They did have something, although afaik it didn't amount to much in larrabee, but I don't know too much about it.

I can't see them being a contender (At least where performance is concerned, marketshare Intel are top afaik in the X86 area)

Nelly · 10 Dec 2012 at 00:01

Intel should buy out Matrox, grab their technology, and invest in it.

OptimaLnrg · 10 Dec 2012 at 00:22

weehamish said:
Will intel make dedicated cards?

I hope so.

Meaker · 10 Dec 2012 at 00:54

There is currently a ceiling set by the available memory bandwidth.

TALON1973 · 10 Dec 2012 at 01:21

Nelly said:
Thought I would try Wolfenstein:ET with Intel HD 3000 onboard graphics @ 1920x1200, constant 60fps, graphics wasn't perfect, but it works...

I'm not sure what happend with AMD/ATI, but the game no longer worked with my old 6950, I've been told OpenGL is broke with their cards... well for this old game.

Makes you wonder how quick Intel is catching up, it's definitly better than playing it on a Nvidia – ELSA GLADIAC GeForce 2 GTS 32MB lol.

sorry ............what ?????????? it runs fine on amd cards ... using a 1gb 6850 ... the only issue you get with amd and et is the fact you get creamed when in water .. nvidia card players can see you in water ( when player is above looking into water ) . amd players cant

TALON1973 · 10 Dec 2012 at 01:24

Nelly said:
Oh definitly... AMD/ATI altered something in their drivers a few year ago, and no one can play Wolfenstein:ET with AMD/ATI cards, works with Nvidia though

lol ...again ....what ?????? thats plain wrong

wazza300 · 10 Dec 2012 at 01:26

if only amd/intel could partner up to release the ultimate cpu/igpu :eek:

humbug · 10 Dec 2012 at 01:30

A long time, Trinity beats Intel HD 4000 by a good way, even the old Llano iGPU beats HD4000, Haswell may catch up with Trinity if its lucky but AMD will be using GCN Steam Processors and more of them on their next iGPU pushing the performance up by quite a lot more.

Intel are far to far behind, and a discrete GPU from Intel is just a pipe dream.

Rroff · 10 Dec 2012 at 01:30

Martini1991 said:
They did have something, although afaik it didn't amount to much in larrabee, but I don't know too much about it.

Larrabee is basically now the Intel Xeon Phi.

Intel are highly unlikely to ever be successful in the enthusiast/gaming GPU arena - whats required in the developing and supporting of such a product goes against the core mentality of the company. I'm not sure they even have any real interest these days in breaking into it.

Nelly · 10 Dec 2012 at 01:40

TALON1973 said:
sorry ............what ?????????? it runs fine on amd cards ... using a 1gb 6850 ... the only issue you get with amd and et is the fact you get creamed when in water .. nvidia card players can see you in water ( when player is above looking into water ) . amd players cant

TALON1973 said:

lol ...again ....what ?????? thats plain wrong

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Going back, it worked when using a HIS Radeon X1900XTX IceQ 3 Turbo 512MB - so around 2006, I then had an 8800GTX, and a GTX 295, it worked on my Sapphire 4890 2GB, but stopped working on my Asus 5850 1GB, and Gigabyte 6950 2GB.

The screen would just go black upon entering a server, and crash out. I'll have to give it a go, if I buy a 7950/7970.

Martini1991 · 10 Dec 2012 at 01:47

Rroff said:
Larrabee is basically now the Intel Xeon Phi.

Intel are highly unlikely to ever be successful in the enthusiast/gaming GPU arena - whats required in the developing and supporting of such a product goes against the core mentality of the company. I'm not sure they even have any real interest these days in breaking into it.

I have actually seen that mentioned before.
Just made a quick google.

1TFLOP in a single card on a PCI-E lane from the Intel Xeon Phi looking at it.

humbug said:
A long time, Trinity beats Intel HD 4000 by a good way, even the old Llano iGPU beats HD4000, Haswell may catch up with Trinity if its lucky but AMD will be using GCN Steam Processors and more of them on their next iGPU pushing the performance up by quite a lot more.

Intel are far to far behind, and a discrete GPU from Intel is just a pipe dream.

Wouldn't say their too far behind, they have the money and resources, but I'm not even sure if they want to (At least in the immediate moment), clovertrail uses a power whatever GPU.
At least Haswell will be a decent improvement on the HD4000.
Looking forward to Trinitys successor, makes for exciting speculation.

humbug · 10 Dec 2012 at 01:54

Martini1991 said:
I have actually seen that mentioned before.
Just made a quick google.

1TFLOP in a single card on a PCI-E lane from the Intel Xeon Phi looking at it.

Wouldn't say their too far behind, they have the money and resources, but I'm not even sure if they want to, clovertrail uses a power whatever GPU.

I don't think its as simple as throwing money at it, Nvidia / AMD-ATI have been developing GPU's for 10 years.

To think they can just make up that development journey by throwing money at it is short sighted IMHO.