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How long before Intel get their act together?

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With AMD ripping Intel a new one with the Zen MCM strategy, how long do people reckon until Intel sort them selves out and fight back with their own MCM strategy?


I know at the moment Intel cannot get their 10nm node to work particularly well, but surely they will either get it working or skip to the next node and then with whatever they come up with to combat infinity fabric, they will once again bring competition back to the CPU space.

Thoughts ?
 
It looks like intel is trying MCM on it's alder lake by putting 8 big 10nm cores and 8 little 14nm cores on the same die.
That's possible coming next year, we'll see how that goes.
 
I think we can say 10nm has missed the boat. The notebook chip are pretty good, just really expensive. 10nm for desktop not so much.
 
Probably a long time until there is a fundamental change - they seem to be just going through the motions of a preplanned path heedless of the real world - which says a massive amount about their corporate structure. (Amongst other things likely too many yes men). That kind of thing never changes until it starts to hurt important people's pockets (or some other restructuring due to people retiring, etc.).
 
maybe Intel will just say sod this and ask Samsung to make their cpus at 7nm to something, so they can meet demand for the G3420 :D
 
As long as they have their server side cash cow income, I really don't think they're that bothered about the desktop enthusiast market.
 
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

Based on that:
  • Server market is an absolute joke, you need a magnifying glass to figure out if AMD even has 1%
  • Laptop market (where most people tend to buy these days) is dominated by Intel, albeit with AMD gaining a small amount of traction
  • Overall market share for AMD is still lower than it was in the mid-noughties (A64 era)
  • Intel is still just about ahead on desktop share up to Q1 although the trend suggest AMD should have overtaken them in Q2 probably?
[For the record, I'm not an intel fanboi or whatever, I run an AMD CPU]

EDIT - take these stats with a pinch of salt, reading the small print they are based on quite specific criteria around submissions to their database rather than e.g. sales stats.
 
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HangTime said:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

Based on that:
  • Server market is an absolute joke, you need a magnifying glass to figure out if AMD even has 1%
  • Laptop market (where most people tend to buy these days) is dominated by Intel, albeit with AMD gaining a small amount of traction
  • Overall market share for AMD is still lower than it was in the mid-noughties (A64 era)
  • Intel is still just about ahead on desktop share up to Q1 although the trend suggest AMD should have overtaken them in Q2 probably?
[For the record, I'm not an intel fanboi or whatever, I run an AMD CPU]
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The graphs say it all really. The enterprise and particularly the server market will take time to show what gains AMD have. plus the representation is probably somewhat twisted as firms will have taken a 90% performance hit and had no choice but to buy more Intel chips. Xeon platforms are getting destroyed from AMD EPYC.
 
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HangTime said:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

Based on that:
  • Server market is an absolute joke, you need a magnifying glass to figure out if AMD even has 1%
  • Laptop market (where most people tend to buy these days) is dominated by Intel, albeit with AMD gaining a small amount of traction
  • Overall market share for AMD is still lower than it was in the mid-noughties (A64 era)
  • Intel is still just about ahead on desktop share up to Q1 although the trend suggest AMD should have overtaken them in Q2 probably?
[For the record, I'm not an intel fanboi or whatever, I run an AMD CPU]
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Those server numbers - ouch. Not quite the rosy picture some here like to paint, given the recent comments from some about how AMD has "won" the server market.

That graph suggests that, far from having "won", AMD aren't even in the game.

HangTime said:
[For the record, I'm not an intel fanboi or whatever, I run an AMD CPU]
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Nice try, but on this forum you're an Intel/nV shill unless AMD tattoos cover 99% of your body. Lisu Su would also be acceptable.
 
FoxEye said:
Those server numbers - ouch. Not quite the rosy picture some here like to paint, given the recent comments from some about how AMD has "won" the server market.

That graph suggests that, far from having "won", AMD aren't even in the game.
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Intel have a pretty large install base and lots of free sockets. The current demand for AMD servers probably isn't helping the numbers either. Rome wasn't built in a day, not sure about Milan though.
 
It's 8-12 months, those cash reserves plus AMD's resurgence and their Raja inspired Xe abortion means they have to act really fast and they will know it as we all do. If this goes on much more than 18 months their share price will go into freefall. They have to do the usual underhand tactics as that's their default MO but they also have to do a Core 2 duo thing again double quick.
 
Hopefully Intel won't get their act together until their market share drops to 50%. We should see some really nice processors from both teams then (as long as people buy from both teams and not just one, or we'll have a repeat of the last ugly decade.)
 
Reading the small print the stats I linked probably aren't the most reliable, as they are based on benchmarks submitted and related to cpus in use, not cpus sold.
 
Jacky60 said:
but they also have to do a Core 2 duo thing again double quick.
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Which was a stroke of luck and not really planned from what i've gathered over the years, they haven't got any semi abandoned previous tech laying about that some guys in Israel can tweak and turn into gold afaik :D
 
Justintime said:
Which was a stroke of luck and not really planned from what i've gathered over the years, they haven't got any semi abandoned previous tech laying about that some guys in Israel can tweak and turn into gold afaik :D
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Intel also had a massive advantage over AMD manufacturing nodes for Core 2.
 
JediFragger said:
Generally yes, but AMD have still got some catching up to do in regards to gaming. My rig is mainly for gaming so went with a 10700K this time, it'll last me til DDR5 platforms are established :)
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CPU makes next to no real difference in gaming though.

I mean the extra £200 you spent on an Intel cpu and motherboard. You could have put that into the gpu instead which would have given a much larger fps increase.
 
HangTime said:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

Based on that:
  • Server market is an absolute joke, you need a magnifying glass to figure out if AMD even has 1%
  • Laptop market (where most people tend to buy these days) is dominated by Intel, albeit with AMD gaining a small amount of traction
  • Overall market share for AMD is still lower than it was in the mid-noughties (A64 era)
  • Intel is still just about ahead on desktop share up to Q1 although the trend suggest AMD should have overtaken them in Q2 probably?
[For the record, I'm not an intel fanboi or whatever, I run an AMD CPU]

EDIT - take these stats with a pinch of salt, reading the small print they are based on quite specific criteria around submissions to their database rather than e.g. sales stats.
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but you see where it's going right? If current sales trends continue AMD will overtake Intel's market share in 12 months

Intel needs a brand new secure, fast, innovate CPU architecture ASAP to stop AMDs sales numbers. Slapping more cores on Skylake isn't working, despite many reviewers saying how they love the intel 10th gen for gaming, the market isn't convinced and Intel's sales haven't changed
 
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