How low can people go?

Efour · 14 Sep 2006 at 14:27

Spacky said:
I agree, fine people or stop benefits or penalise people in some way who kill animal life and jail those who take human life.

Well in an ideal world without a crowded prison system i would deffinately bang them up for 6+ months and give them time to reflect on what they did.

There is nothing worse than having your liberty stripped from you. No point fining her she wont pay it or cant pay it, so it does nothing. Maybe force her to do 26 weeks community service at a dog shelter?? (but with no kettles)

Prison needs to be a harsher place, real bread and water. Anyone that can reform will have no problem doing so. Repeat offenders get hung.

Welcome to Efourtopia population 1

kitten_caboodle · 14 Sep 2006 at 14:30

Efour2 said:
Maybe force her to do 26 weeks community service at a dog shelter?? (but with no kettles)

I'd not let her near a dog shelter. Most of the animals in there need caring people who have a clue about how to deal with them rather than nasty, cruel-minded idiots.

^TANK^ · 14 Sep 2006 at 14:31

jezsoup said:
And that will achieve precisely what??? Luckyly society has more brains than that.

My pleasure

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Efour · 14 Sep 2006 at 14:34

kitten_caboodle said:
I'd not let her near a dog shelter. Most of the animals in there need caring people who have a clue about how to deal with them rather than nasty, cruel-minded idiots.

yeah true, i was hoping it would crack her and give her nightmares, hopefully ending in her suicide (harsh but fair)

jezsoup · 14 Sep 2006 at 14:34

^TANK^ said:
My pleasure .

Fair enough

ill be in touch with a number for a shrink

^TANK^ · 14 Sep 2006 at 14:35

jezsoup said:
Fair enough ill be in touch with a number for a shrink

Had one did me know good but thankyou for the concern.

jezsoup · 14 Sep 2006 at 14:35

Efour2 said:
yeah true, i was hoping it would crack her and give her nightmares, hopefully ending in her suicide (harsh but fair)

Whats fair about that?

As siad prison should be reserved for people who are a threat to society/ really deserve it, there are plenty of other possible punishments for her which will mean she isnt costing society hundreds a week but actually giving something back!

MookJong · 14 Sep 2006 at 14:35

It's bizzare why she would want to use boiling water, just totally cruel.

My Grandad had a farm when my mum was little and I remember her telling me he drowned a litter of unwanted kittens in a barrel of water once. I dunno I never thought too much of it really but this story reminded me of it. I guess now he would be locked up, but it was just normal farm practice back in the 1950's along with killing the chickens and lambs by hand etc.

Obviously this isn't the same thing but it's funny how attitudes have change so much over the last 50 years.

kitten_caboodle · 14 Sep 2006 at 14:51

Spacky said:
*crap*

Get out Spacky, it's not funny.

Spacky · 14 Sep 2006 at 14:58

No its not funny but its not that serious either...animal cruelity isn't a serious issue to me because it is an animal, doesn't mean I would go boil a dog but then people are quite happy to stamp spiders, kill rats etc. Some people keep rats as pets some people keep spiders as pets and others eat dogs for food.

Millions of animals are unwanted and abandoned all the time its not considered that serious a problem compared to that of a person.

My imo entirely care to flame me then bring on the aerosols and lighters.

Shoseki · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:01

tbh, she's just a very heartless person, but she doesn't deserve prison. She needs to be out and about, name and shame I would. Make her wear a T-Shirt with "I boiled a puppy and am doing community service", as her punishment.

Disgusting behaviour needs to be exposed to the public... no point in letting her sit in a cell doing nothing, its costing the tax payer and she nor anyone else gets anything out of it.

cleanbluesky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:02

Spacky said:
No its not funny but its not that serious either...animal cruelity isn't a serious issue to me because it is an animal, doesn't mean I would go boil a dog but then people are quite happy to stamp spiders, kill rats etc. Some people keep rats as pets some people keep spiders as pets and others eat dogs for food.

Millions of animals are unwanted and abandoned all the time its not considered that serious a problem compared to that of a person.

My imo entirely care to flame me then bring on the aerosols and lighters.

An animal's suffering is equivalent to our own, they feel just as we do and sugffer in a very similar way. To dismiss an animal's suffering as 'not a serious issue' is to dismiss any potential suffering that we AS ANIMALS could endure. You suffering may be the most important thing in the world to you at a given moment, and if you had seen genuine suffering you would not dismiss it in others, in the hope that someone would not dismiss your suffering was the situation reversed

The_TailGunner · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:05

Shoseki said:
Make her wear a T-Shirt with "I boiled a puppy and am doing community service", as her punishment.

now THAT is an idea with merit....although i think a sandwich board would be better

Spacky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:06

cleanbluesky said:
An animal's suffering is equivalent to our own

Your view not mine.

cleanbluesky said:
they feel just as we do and sugffer in a very similar way. To dismiss an animal's suffering as 'not a serious issue' is to dismiss any potential suffering that we AS ANIMALS could endure.

I am all for animals for medical experiments and see an animal as secondary to human life and unless Dr Doolittle came in here and told me otherwise about animals then fairenough.

cleanbluesky said:
You suffering may be the most important thing in the world to you at a given moment, and if you had seen genuine suffering you would not dismiss it in others, in the hope that someone would not dismiss your suffering was the situation reversed

Human suffering is more important than a dog, end of.

Spyhop · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:07

Outrage thread!

Grandmaster Fap! · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:10

Sickening. The fact is people know better, animals do not. If a couple of scumbags want to knife each other i dont give a toss but if said scumbag takes a knife to a dog/cat, whats the point, does it make him more of a man? bull****!
We call ourselves civilised but some of us are still animals tbh.

ElRazur · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:11

Visage said:
I often hear it said, but i've never really understood our obsession with animals - and particularly how people seem to demand higher standards for cute puppies than they do for animals bred for slaughter....

This is said and asked in a thread on the forum here last night.

cleanbluesky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:17

Spacky said:
I am all for animals for medical experiments and see an animal as secondary to human life and unless Dr Doolittle came in here and told me otherwise about animals then fairenough.

Human suffering is more important than a dog, end of.

All of which is opinion. I would hate to wish suffering on you, but feel that it would be an effective way of educating you in empathy were you to experience it.

If you were experiencing suffering you would loathe and fear if other people took the attitude you have displayed.

If you believe the suffering of other sentient beings is worth nothing, why should anyone choose to alleviate your suffering?

semi-pro waster · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:17

Spacky said:
I am all for animals for medical experiments and see an animal as secondary to human life and unless Dr Doolittle came in here and told me otherwise about animals then fairenough.

Ok, suppose I tell you that I'm Dr Doolittle and that we are all mammals therefore all equal. Do you believe me? Let's for the moment ignore the fact that a lot of people who talk to their pets are a bit odd but you did suggest Dr Doolittle so I'm working with what is on offer.

Spacky said:
Human suffering is more important than a dog, end of.

So you say, how is this different to cleanbluesky saying that an animal's suffering is equivalent to ours(that of a human)? You have put forward your position, that doesn't make it any more or less correct than anyone elses, you have an opinion - that is all. It as solid a position as me saying FACT in capitals after any postulation I choose to make, merely stating this is how it is doesn't automatically make it so.

Neoni · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:21

Spacky said:
*load of BS*

*Refrains Anger*