How low can people go?

kitten_caboodle · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:23

Spacky said:
No its not funny but its not that serious either...animal cruelity isn't a serious issue to me because it is an animal, doesn't mean I would go boil a dog but then people are quite happy to stamp spiders, kill rats etc.

IMO unnecessary cruelty is a serious issue no matter who or what is being tortured. And not something to be made light of.

Spacky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:24

cleanbluesky said:
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Child attacks dog, child gets told off. Dog attacks child, dog is put down.

Humans look out for other humans, what I suffer has nothing to do with a dog suffering etc. Suppose guinea pig factories are the equivelant to concentration camps to some people. I have worked with animals in medical environments a lot of dedication energy and care goes into it and all for the benefits to humankind.

If I had a £1 and saw a NSPCC collection plate or one for animal cruelity it would go to the NSPCC.

I speak openly and honestly and some of you like to hide and be anal about it all...ah well, I can't help you there

Neon said:
*Refrains Anger*

I posted my view and you are entitled to your own, you can challenge me on it if you wish it won't get you far.

cleanbluesky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:24

Neon said:
<snip>

As much as I agree, its against the rules to give direct insult and I don't wish you to get suspended for merely saying what you see

Neoni · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:25

cleanbluesky said:
As much as I agree, its against the rules to give direct insult and I don't wish you to get suspended for merely saying what you see

I Edited. wish sometimes i could say what i really thought of peoples opinions on these touching subjects.

Azza · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:26

What a crazy *****. I wanna boil her.

cleanbluesky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:26

Spacky said:
Child attacks dog, child gets told off. Dog attacks child, dog is put down.

Humans look out for other humans, what I suffer has nothing to do with a dog suffering etc. Suppose guinea pig factories are the equivelant to concentration camps to some people. I have worked with animals in medical environments a lot of dedication energy and care goes into it and all for the benefits to humankind.

1) How should you expect another to help your alleviate your suffering if you are not willing to grant it to others?

2) The relationship between medical innovation and animal testing is not a direct one, and many forms of animal testing are not used for medicine. Even when massive amounts of testing make a marketable drug there is no guaruntee it will offer a genuine benefit to alleviate the suffering of others. Nor is there any guaruntee that there is not a better solution that does not involve causing suffering in animals.

kitten_caboodle · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:28

Spacky said:
If I had a £1 and saw a NSPCA collection plate or one for animal cruelity it would go to the NSPCA.

The NSPCA is the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals ... in the UK the RSPCA... so I don't really get what you're on about there :confused:

Spacky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:29

cleanbluesky said:
1) How should you expect another to help your alleviate your suffering if you are not willing to grant it to others?

2) The relationship between medical innovation and animal testing is not a direct one, and many forms of animal testing are not used for medicine. Even when massive amounts of testing make a marketable drug there is no guaruntee it will offer a genuine benefit to alleviate the suffering of others. Nor is there any guaruntee that there is not a better solution that does not involve causing suffering in animals.

We breed hairless mice that cannot live outside of a lab and live in ventilated atmoshperes where cancer cells are implanted into them and yes they look deformed etc but its all for a greater good. We use pigs, yes intelligent creatures so people say but their organ and body make up is similar to that of humans.

Of course we could use people for such things but Hitler didn't get far doing that.

Spacky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:29

kitten_caboodle said:
The NSPCA is the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals ...

NSPCC I mean't all these letters get confusing

kitten_caboodle · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:31

Spacky said:
NSPCC I mean't all these letters get confusing

aahh I see. Fair enough. Personally I give the other way, but each to their own.

dragonflyy · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:31

I read the title of the newspaper clipping and that was enough! Sick, evil woman.

cleanbluesky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:33

Spacky said:
We breed hairless mice that cannot live outside of a lab and live in ventilated atmoshperes where cancer cells are implanted into them and yes they look deformed etc but its all for a greater good. We use pigs, yes intelligent creatures so people say but their organ and body make up is similar to that of humans.

So we've committed all this suffering upon animals and still cancer is one of the biggest killers of humans? Is that an argument for or against animal testing, because I cant tell.

Of course we could use people for such things but Hitler didn't get far doing that.

Why should you expect another to alleviate your suffering if you would not choose to do so in others?

Spacky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:35

cleanbluesky said:
So we've committed all this suffering upon animals and still cancer is one of the biggest killers of humans? Is that an argument for or against animal testing, because I cant tell.

I have said my part on animal testing for medical reasons, I used one example and yes the drugs are their to prolong life, after all medicine is about prolonging life.

cleanbluesky said:
Why should you expect another to alleviate your suffering if you would not choose to do so in others?

I haven't a clue what your on about then no change there as I don't think it has anything to do with boiling a puppy and me suffering. Unless she boiled a person or my child then that would be human suffering and I could relate :confused:

If you wish to talk about this further add me on msn and I will discuss this when I can.

cleanbluesky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:41

Spacky said:
I haven't a clue what your on about then no change there as I don't think it has anything to do with boiling a puppy and me suffering. Unless she boiled a person or my child then that would be human suffering and I could relate

Which is the problem. Too many times we choose not to relate to the suffering of others, yet would plead to have someone help us if we were in a similar situation

Spacky · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:52

cleanbluesky said:
Which is the problem. Too many times we choose not to relate to the suffering of others, yet would plead to have someone help us if we were in a similar situation

Relating in a similar situation such as being boiled or the person boiling the puppy?

You're very vague and come across as sitting on the wall on this topic, if you are trying to stir the situation or trying to explain as well as educate, then please just explain rather than be wishy washy.

Like I said not sure what you are asking but like I said msn is in trust.

jas72 · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:55

she is obviously thick as two planks.

How can someone reason like that. I say lock her up for a long time as she clearly is a menace to society.

For some to argue that she's not should think about her excuse.

"Damn, one of the puppies is returned"

"Oh noes, she's fighting now with her mother my dog what to do?"

"Oh wait instead of boiling these potatoes i'll just stick the puppy in there that'll solve the problem".

Now with reasoning like that going on in that womans head you say she's not a menace to society? She clearly has a screw loose.

basmic · 14 Sep 2006 at 15:59

I'm not having a go at you Spacky, but don't you think it was rather heartless to be posting jokes in a serious thread?

A bit like your grandparents dying, and somebody strolls on in cracking jokes about OAP's off.

I understand that humans and animals are different. But if you want to make jokes, they are best posted in a thread containing jokes.

Spacky · 14 Sep 2006 at 16:01

basmic said:
I'm not having a go at you Spacky, but don't you think it was rather heartless to be posting jokes in a serious thread?

A bit like your grandparents dying, and somebody strolls on in cracking jokes about OAP's off.

I understand that humans and animals are different. But if you want to make jokes, they are best posted in a thread containing jokes.

Grandparents are VERY VERY different to puppies, its people. I find people who see dogs as humans a worry. Anyhow said thread was deleted yes it was possibly in bad taste and I accept that. You can have a go at me by all means providing you put a reason why and you have. You summarised how you feel in a less than two sentances which is something I wish others could do and keep to the point.

basmic · 14 Sep 2006 at 16:03

Spacky said:
Grandparents are VERY VERY different to puppies. Anyhow said thread was deleted yes it was possibly in bad taste and I accept that. You can have a go at me by all means providing you put a reason why and you have. You summarised how you feel in a less than two sentances which is something I wish others could do and keep to the point.

As I said, I'm not having a go at you - or anybody else, to that matter.

All I was trying to say is, there is a time and place. This thread was not a particulary wise choice of place to be cracking off jokes.

That's all I have to say about the joke (which I missed), and no longer wish the thread to be derailed.

cleanbluesky · 14 Sep 2006 at 16:05

Spacky said:
Relating in a similar situation such as being boiled or the person boiling the puppy?

You're very vague and come across as sitting on the wall on this topic, if you are trying to stir the situation or trying to explain as well as educate, then please just explain rather than be wishy washy.

Like I said not sure what you are asking but like I said msn is in trust.

I mean, quite simply, if you can be so blaze about suffering how could you expect another to take your own seriously?