How much £ to spend to outperform a mobile phone?

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I saw another thread asking which £500 walkabout camera, and wondered whether a £500 camera could beat a mobile phone?

No doubt in pure image quality some will - but by what margin?

And at a cost of all that...
  • Convenience - I already carry my phone
  • Size & Bulk
  • Dependability - I always have my phone
  • Speed of deployment - I can be taking pictures within say 2 seconds
 
For me (if it was my thread you were interested in), it's the ability to shoot in raw and have full manual control over the exposure.

You can then talk about getting into buying a compact system with interchangable lenses (picking up a kit for say £500 second hand), allowing you to invest more should you enjoy the hobby and have specific needs.
Hi - yes, it was your thread, but I didn't want to derail it asking there. Thanks for the reply. I've got a Samsung Note8, which is due for replacement, and it's really impressed me - I wanted to capture some lightning, the other night, and discovered its exposure control was pretty decent! I love the look of some of the dedicated walkabout cameras - I've never looked into RAW, but I believe many new phones can shoot it.

I don't really have time for another hobby, so I'm in a very different situation to you (another reason I didn't want to derail your thread) but also, I was just wondering about the sheer tech of it all - actually just looking around and found this article:-

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/uk/buying-guides/best-camera-phone

We're at a point now where the best camera phones often deliver better results than the "proper camera" that's in your kit bag! These pocket-sized powerhouses afford us the ability to take fantastic images and video in almost any shooting situation – and they don't require us to fiddle around with lenses or settings.

Which phone do you currently have and are you intended to upgrade it anytime soon?

I spent £379 on a camera a couple of years ago and it'll beat pretty much all smart phones in terms of outright image quality but it isn't convenient, it won't fit into a trouser pocket, you have to remember to carry it with you but it will be up and running within 2-3 seconds.

Are you willing to spend time editing pictures?

If you are publishing images on social media or viewing on a TV at home I'd just stick with a phone, if you are printing or require high quality images for professional use then I'd think about investing in a camera.
I've got an old Pentax K5 and a few decent lenses for it - and it's taken some lovely shots, but the fact I always have my phone, never have to think to remember it, and already have it (in my pocket) ready to access and shoot in a few seconds, generally makes it win out every time!

My wife's got a Huawei P20 Pro, and the camera on that seems even better than the Note8. If it weren't for the issue with access to google, I'd be mninded to go for one of its successors.

As it is, I've inadvertently been a loyal Samsungite for years now, and the Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra 5G looks like a beast.
 
Huawei P20 Pro vs Sony A73 + Zeiss 35/1.4 and Sony 70-200/2.8 GM

These are straight out of the phone camera, no editing except the A.I. detecting the subject and letting it do it's thing. I expect most people would be happy with results like these out of their phone.

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Hope you don't mind me putting them next to each other...


(I'm not an expert at all, so could be talking rubbish...)

For me the Huawei (same phone as my wife's - constantly amazes me) wins in images 2 and 4.

The Sony seems to be quite a bit ahead in not overexposing image 1 - which looks like quite a tricky feat.
 
In all honesty, if you just want to point something at things and get good photos, modern phones will do it very very well. I enjoy photo editing and the whole process of deciding how my exposure is made (apeture, shutter speed and iso) which I feel more comfortable with a camera. However I used to do photography a lot back in my 20's and want to pick it up again as a hobby.
Yeah - I can completely get that. I'd love to get back into photography - but the advent of children has stripped me of all possible post-production time!

I have to say, though, I'm amazed at the level of control my Note8 gives the user - and I've no doubt things have moved on since then.

The phone has a tendancy of over applying HDR and equalise the image. There is seldom true black on a photo when in reality it is black and it is also reluctant to show true white. The AI is geared that way. It will look fine in some shots using this method but it also means the contrast is limited.

When i am processing i tend to push what is white to white, what is black to black.
Thanks for this. By the way, I meant to say - really cracking shots.
 
A quick example .. Phone or Dslr ? All grabbed from my FB so no info in the pictures
@Barks can do it, no problem...
it is blindingly obvious to my eye which of those were shot on a phone.
;)

(Sorry, Barks. Ever since 23 June 2016 whenever I hear "blindingly obvious" I naturally assume the speaker is mistaken - :D )

Then i got a Huawei P20 Pro . Was just blown away with the quality of pictures ..
Yup - this is the phone that did it for me too. I thought my Samsung Note8 was incredible and then my wife got a P20 Pro, and I was staggered.
 
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