How much wattage for a 1080 or 1080ti

650W will be plenty, providing it's a decent PSU. The 1080Ti is more efficient than a 980Ti. As long as your PSU is a decent model, it'll be fine.
 
I currently have a 450w, would that be pushing it?
High quality 450W PSU would be enough for non overclocked CPU and reference clock 1080.

GP102 chipped 1080 Ti again needs upwards 300W and for that 650W PSU would be quite approriate especially with high end CPU.
People have just gotten weird fixation that every Nvidia card is light on power consumption.
 
a gtx 1080ti uses up to 200w max when not overclocked, that is under 100% load though, games genrally dont make 100% load. So mostly in games 150w will be the typical input for a GTX1080TI
You're mixing GP102 and GP104 chips.
"Medium" size GP104 equipped 1080 stays below 200W, except for some factory overclocked models.
Big GP102 chip 1080 Tis draw well past 250W (except for reference/Founders Edition) with some of them reaching towards 300W:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1080_Ti_Strix_OC/27.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_1080_Ti_Amp_Extreme/29.html
 
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