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How will Nvidia react to the AMD 6000 series launch?
Got to be joking, they need to show stock for stock, no RAGE mode, no SAM boost from the Zen 3 CPUs.
Fair enough, they said they were using the RAGE and SAM on the slides, but if Nvidia did something like that, there would be hell on on here.
this makes no sense, Nvidia and Intel (for the moment) can't do this, AMD is the only one that produces high end CPUs and now GPUs, their CPU engineers literally worked on these GPUs, this integration of hardware though propriety is the direction of ALL future AMD CPUs with their corresponding motherboards will support.
AMD has shown it has brought out high end CPUs, which people will want, a lot of people tend to overhaul their systems when upgrading, not drop in CPU upgrade.
AMD has clearly targetted and very cleverly chose this path.
It makes sense to design a ecosystem which takes advantage of their entire hardware stack, its stupid for it not to be used.
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I'd have said the price was hilarious but ridiculous works too
The prosumer drivers were the main thing missing when reviews were talking about the 3090 being 'titan class' gpu.
I think AMD just wanted to make the 3090 look a bit silly (sillier) by undercutting them by a decent margin, which they have. Not sure about the value on either tbh.
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I'd have said the price was hilarious but ridiculous works too
The prosumer drivers were the main thing missing when reviews were talking about the 3090 being 'titan class' gpu.
I think AMD just wanted to make the 3090 look a bit silly (sillier) by undercutting them by a decent margin, which they have. Not sure about the value on either tbh.
And the 3090 was already "1-0 down" as a gaming GPU, so a bit of an open goal for AMD to make it 2-0.
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Prices of these cards are way over priced for the average joe. When I upgrade I tent to go for the middle card to keep the price down but now even the bottom of the 3 cards the 6800 is still like 500 quid.
What happened to the mid range 200 quid cards that there were plenty of from both companies.
What happened to the mid range 200 quid cards that there were plenty of from both companies.
They dropped implicit crossfire support with the 5700 series so what you could do on Turing and prior with the bridge. It only supported Explicit mGPU similar to what Nvidia now does on there 3xxx GPU's. I imagine the new stuff is going to be the same and they are not going to bring back crossfire and leave it up to devs to implement Explicit mGPU. Right now think there are what a dozen or so games that leverage Explicit mGPU and doubt devs will spend effort on it given the way mGPU is going.
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Rumoured to have postponed to the 2nd December now.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...launch-of-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-to-december-2nd
Looks like they're going after the 6900 now
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Rumoured to have postponed to the 2nd December now.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...launch-of-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-to-december-2nd
Looks like they're going after the 6900 now
Classic case of too many choices but no availability.
I hope the 3080 ti or whatever its called comes in at 899
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A 20GB 3090 rumoured to be incoming.
https://videocardz.com/newz/kopite7...ature-10496-cuda-cores-and-20gb-gddr6x-memory
https://videocardz.com/newz/kopite7...ature-10496-cuda-cores-and-20gb-gddr6x-memory
Given the lack of FE cards it would make sense if they were stockpiling before a launch. A 3080 Ti / Super would be a decent upgrade for 2080 Ti owners like me. The price is likely to be $999 or less, to compete with the RX 6900.
Sigh whats the point, if they say the 3090 is not a gaming card then they need to release something that's a lot faster than the 3080 and not just something that sits inbetween the 3080 and 3090. The perf increase for each step up in price point is so small and negligible there is no reason at all for them to exist!
That's not possible right now: you need exotic cooling solutions to get more out of the Ampere GPU. It might happen with a switch to 7 nm - the experts here can surely chime in - but that will take time and IMHO it's more likely they'll be fast-tracking Hopper. I hope Nvidia will be spurred by the competition. If Hopper turns out to be just a 7nm refresh of Ampere then I will be sorely disappointed.
Soldato
the 3090 was an attempt at a "we win" card from nvidia. It was clearly engineered as such. You have a VERY highly pushed ampere core buried in a 3 slot radiator to attempt to cool it.
It's massively over-engineered to be "best" so they can stick a huge premium on it and have endlessly deep pockets types buy theirs.
Same, though i admit the 3080 is quite abit faster than the 2080ti and definitely a lot faster than my old 2080, i expect the next card to be something substantial for anyone to even consider jumping from existing 6000 and 3000 series cards.
They are wish swashy on the 3090 as is. it is pretty much stated its a gaming card in marketing, but they know the delta to the 3080 is pretty small for the price so need to use its VRAM as a reason to say its for content creators, but not those content creators who need actual Titan drivers. The 3090 is there for those who can't wait for a GPU, myself included. Looking at other Retailor numbers, they are shipping as many if not more 3090's then 3080's. Why, because they share the exact same core, cost nothing more or less for Nvidia to produce (the core itself) so may aswell sell them as 3090s. Eventually sales will tapper off for those so then put them into a Ti model, a little less cut down and sell it. I fully imagine if it comes out for say £1000, there will be plenty of those 3080 buyers who may be able to justify the 3080Ti price, but not 3090. Add in they need a price competitor for the 6900XT and a 3090 shaved slightly with 6900XT pricing would be it.
As it stands they have no more headroom left really. The 3090 core is pretty much a maxed out GA102 core (minus a few shaders and TMUs) so use 3090 cores that may tapper off in sales that would otherwise go in a much cheaper 3080 and put them into a 3080Ti which will allow more margin.
For those of us running AMD gpu's for the last x number of years the driver thing is comical
For the last little while I have had less issues with AMD than I have my nv cards. Might be because the NV card is dying but still.