HP Switches/Routers

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Have any of you guys had any experience with HP for Data Centre/Aggregation/Access? Just going through a piece of work and the costs Vs Cisco are in silly street for replacing 4 core switches and access switches for around 200 servers. Wondered what your experience of them are f any? Along with the lifetime warranty they do make a strong case as i can just buy extra units to cover replacements whilst original units are away to be repaired.

(Talking A125XX and A95XX/A75XX series)
 
A95XX / A75XX are ex-3Com aren't they? If so, double check the warranty as some of the 3Com parts don't get the lifetime warranty the ex-ProCurve models do.
 
I've not used anything quite that high end with the HP (well, I am more 3Com) but the E series (as it's now called anyway) are really top notch. There are no data centres where I work so we tend to go for the upper range of the E series which are in more of the SME end of the scale, although keep in mind that the idea of full scale enterprise organisations to companies like HP are those with like 100k plus users.

We have a lot of 4800G switches on Comware 5 and some older 5500 series on Comware 3. Both are excellent.

Comware5 is a really good OS and actually in many cases it's quite similar to Cisco syntax wise. We use some 4210Gs for access layer stuff, they have all the enterprise QoS but lack the layer 3 function, but we don't need that at the access layer. Fully support VoIP etc and lots of phones run off these. It's typically the smaller offices that we use these in.

Feature wise 3Com were always more keen on open standards so you'll have no issue with the likes of your LACP aggregate links (both static and dynamic modes supported on Comware5) and other stuff like dot1q trunks. IRF stacking is very easy to set up and very resilient. Lots of security and resiliance features too. The switches are bulletproof.

I wouldn't have thought you would need something like that for access use (assuming you are referring to the 3 tier model "access") - check out the 4800Gs.

If you want any more specific stuff then I will try my best.

Obviously they're also layer 3 too if you need that stuff.

Can't comment onthe actual procurve side of things but as far as I am aware they bought out 3Com because of the strength of Comware so that's what I'd be going with.

We have a lot of Cisco kit too, and have no problem with connections between the two. All the new kit is HP now though as we decided to use HP for our VoIP implementation as we needed PoE switches.
 
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I've only ever used HP for low end and non critical stuff (iLo networks and the like), reason being that when you get to high end gear you're usually using high end features or fancy architecture and virtually every vendor has unresolved bugs in the fancy features, that goes for Cisco, Brocade and even Juniper. The difference is the competance and ability of their TAC and dev teams to fix those quickly, I don't believe HP have the resources available to play that game as well (even in the high end network vendors, Cisco and Juniper are a cut above everyone else in the their fix times and general ability).

Things will break, it's how your vendor deals with it when it happens which matters. HP do simple stuff OK where not much goes wrong (because they haven't added anything new for 5+ years you might argue) but I don't trust them for the big stuff or actually for the small stuff where it matters to be honest.

Cisco had an issue with flexlinks leaking traffic a while back in a specific IOS version with certain conditions. That's not a complex feature really but it took them a day or two to track it down given the diagnostics, when they did we got a fix pretty quickly. Juniper are super quick to fix their bugs and issue revised code, Brocade are slower but do get there. Lower end vendors tend to spend a week insisting it's something you're doing wrong before even looking at their own code, that's not a game I'm willing to play.
 
Yeah. Just met up with HP, they do seem to have some nice kit, and at a very nice pricepoint. Refreshing 2 main sites with 4 Cores and server connectivity with Cisco can be matched by HP's pricing and include a refresh of all our edge for less than the Cisco Cores!

The least it will do is give me a big stick to beat down some pricing from Cisco!
 
To state the obvious, there's an extent to which Cisco are expensive because they like their margin and an extent to which they're expensive because they're good. You get what you pay for. If you don't actually need a lot that's fine but don't get confused about that fact.
 
To state the obvious, there's an extent to which Cisco are expensive because they like their margin and an extent to which they're expensive because they're good. You get what you pay for. If you don't actually need a lot that's fine but don't get confused about that fact.

In my experience HP suck at anything other than switchports, trunks and Vlans.

I put in a large county wide network for the government recently, with big chunks of it running Cisco VSS, which worked almost flawlessly and still does, biggest problem was managing it.

We had another bid come in, for a similar customer in which it was instead decided that a HP/Huawei solution, which had a similar thing to VSS would be used.

The salesman came in bragging about how the HP/Huawei switches trounce 6500s etc etc, how wonderful they are, turned out to be a nightmare cluster**** lol...
 
Yeah, i know all about the 'Get what you pay for'. It's a good stick to beat the Cisco guys with though, i've 'leaked' a little conversation to one of the Cisco UK directors in a round about route that i'm considering it. Strangely enough my internal account manager keeps trying to get in touch for some reason........
 
Don't make the mistake of assuming because you have cheaper 'like for like' quote they'll budge at all.

Had a prime example of this recently negotiating with service providers, one was WAY cheaper than the other, but the dear one was a more established brand (in use currently). I put it plainly to our current provider that they cost almost twice as much and they simply turned around and said "We're bigger and better" and that was the end of that.

Cisco have the brand strength in that sector to be able to do that.
By all means try, but don't be suprised when they respond along the lines of "So, what's your point?"
 
I always see HP as "Will do". You dont get a lot of the features in their hardware as you do with Cisco gear, however if you are only setting up a simple network, HP gear will suit fine - especially if you are on budget.

Like anything I think it really comes down to

1) Do you really need the extra stuff you get with Cisco
2) Can you afford it.


$0.02
 
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Thing is - now that they have intergrated 3Com/H3C into their portfolio, they are much stronger feature wise.

I can't really comment about very high end enterprise class features but HP bought out 3Com for a reason so it's worth checking that out IMO.
 
I put in a large county wide network for the government recently, with big chunks of it running Cisco VSS, which worked almost flawlessly and still does, biggest problem was managing it.

Which is a fairly ironic story given how poorly VSS is regarded and how rarely it works properly. I could name three major UK hosting providers / ISPs who've had VSS related outages in the last year or two.
 
I always see HP as "Will do". You dont get a lot of the features in their hardware as you do with Cisco gear, however if you are only setting up a simple network, HP gear will suit fine - especially if you are on budget.

Like anything I think it really comes down to

1) Do you really need the extra stuff you get with Cisco
2) Can you afford it.


$0.02

It's a decent sized refresh, budget just short of £1m. For that with Cisco i can probably get the Core and server distribution with a few other bits and pieces of work i need doing also. For HP i can get pretty much everything done including 10gb to the edge (currently 100/1000mb), whilst replacing the 250+ edge switches also.

Cisco have the brand strength in that sector to be able to do that.
By all means try, but don't be suprised when they respond along the lines of "So, what's your point?"

Quite aware of the brand strength Cisco have, but they dont have the dominance they had compared to say 5-10yrs ago. They know in the business i work in that cost is becoming a more important factor for the future.

Next thing you'll tell me they wont do me a decent deal on the price as even though it's their year end in July they arent bothered about securing the business in financial year to up their year end figures.......;)
 
We have been selling and installing HP switches for the past 3 years and haven't had any complaints. The OPG discounts can reduce the price by over 50% on a large deal so it obvious that HP are going after Cisco in a big way. It is an uneasy truce at the moment as HP still offer Cisco in their c7000 Blade Chassis. IMHO Cisco have lived on a name for far too long but some of their data centre products are still king.
 
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I think Cisco are losing the plot a bit with the Nexus range. Some configurations require a crazy number of interlinks! We're currently moving to Brocade for Data Centre switches & routers.
 
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