I didn't see vista releasing patches after 2 weeks.

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i think any windows user would be foolish to pretend that Windows isnt buggy, a resource hog, poorly optimized and suffers from very poor microsoft coding and microsoft using end users as beta testers

its mud in the eye to the people who claim apple are above all that sort of thing though ;)
 
MrLOL said:
i think any windows user would be foolish to pretend that Windows isnt buggy, a resource hog, poorly optimized and suffers from very poor microsoft coding and microsoft using end users as beta testers
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By that logic I'm foolish then :( Damn.
 
MrLOL said:
i think any windows user would be foolish to pretend that Windows isnt buggy, a resource hog, poorly optimized and suffers from very poor microsoft coding and microsoft using end users as beta testers
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How's gaming on them Macs going? Are they still being thrashed by PC's with Windows?

Surely if Windows was so poor the Mac OS would be the choice to go with eh?
 
Jihad said:
How's gaming on them Macs going? Are they still being thrashed by PC's with Windows?

Surely if Windows was so poor the Mac OS would be the choice to go with eh?
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I reckon if gaming was good on a MAC OS a lot of people would go Mac.

Just for supposed simplicity etc. No anti virus scanners, spyware scanners etc.
 
swinnie said:
I reckon if gaming was good on a MAC OS a lot of people would go Mac.

Just for supposed simplicity etc. No anti virus scanners, spyware scanners etc.
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I hope mac doe become popular for that exact reason, no av and no anti spyware. If mac ever got Window market share, the virus writers would have a field day
 
MrLOL said:
i think any windows user would be foolish to pretend that Windows isnt buggy, a resource hog, poorly optimized and suffers from very poor microsoft coding and microsoft using end users as beta testers
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There's no need to pretend; that simply isn't the case.
 
chesterstu said:
I hope mac doe become popular for that exact reason, no av and no anti spyware. If mac ever got Window market share, the virus writers would have a field day
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Indeed. Although apple will never see an operating system with a market share as great as MS.

The more popular OS X becomes the more holes and problems they will see.
 
TheVoice said:
There's no need to pretend; that simply isn't the case.
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oh come on dont be deluded

several microsoft devs have gone on record stating that the current dev team dont know what half the windows code does.

They darent touch it, because all they know is when they do stuff breaks. as a result its all left in there, and they just add stuff on top of the existing code base

theres probably loads of 16bit code and all sorts in windows that could drastically streamline the whole process.

Im not denying that the PC platform is the leading platform, im just saying they've held it back. Windows ME should never have been released, and XP should never have been released in the state that it was. They just never thought that the floodgates would get openned the way they did to malware/spyware/virus/trojans/buffer overruns etc..

Heck, Intel even proposed a completele overhaul of x86 platform, but microsoft killed it off in the water saying they wouldnt write an OS that supported it, killing it before it even got started.

If microsoft actually ditched the whole windows code base, and started again from scratch, you'd be able to do things with current hardware that would astound you. Simply because we all take it for granted we all need bigger and faster PCs. but some of that is to overcome the bloat that is windows.

I'll grant you XP SP2 systems currently are bug free, and are a perfectly stable evironment. But it should never have taken as long as it did for XP to become that stable.

dont get me wrong, im no mac fan. I dont own a mac, and have a £2k gaming PC and shelled out for legit copy of vista. But im not deluded as to windows flaws.
 
I find this thread rather entertaining.

You lot are welcome to join in the wonderful conversations we have in the Mac forums any time, providing you can entertain as well there as in this thread.

Craig321 said:
Ahhh, so finally Apple fan boys are proved wrong.

"Apple is perfect, OSX can never be hacked blah blah I love Apple"
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That is just the ignorant Mac users, not all fan boys are ignorant.

Also, while I am here, where is Vista SP1 chaps? Oh, yup, that's right, not here yet, leaving several bugs. Enough to make me roll back to XP.
 
Welcome to the "perfect" world of the MAC.
They release a new "Service Pack" for their OS every year and make you pay for it...

I would go on but it's all been said before.
I am obviously also a "foolish Windows user".
I've been working in the computer industry for quite some years now and I've seen my fair share of Windows OS's hitting the shelves.
I've also been lucky enough to be part of the beta test team of every OS released since Windows 95.
So I've been in the situation where I could usually see an early Alpha build and watch it progress and change through Beta to RC to Gold.

With the launch of Win2k and it's near perfect stability at launch Microsoft have simply never looked back.
The code update for WinXP was stable and the recent rewrite from the ground up for Vista in my eyes was equally good (been running Vista for a year now and I can count on one hand the number of problems I've hit that have forced a reboot on my machine).
Security patches - well lets see, the OS is written by humans so by it's very nature nothing ever released can be perfect.

If Microsoft really were treating you as a Beta tester then you'd know about it.
Being in the position where I actually do see many beta builds of many MS OS's I can say that what you see in Gold is a long way from Beta.
 
WotDa said:
I find this thread rather entertaining.

You lot are welcome to join in the wonderful conversations we have in the Mac forums any time, providing you can entertain as well there as in this thread.



That is just the ignorant Mac users, not all fan boys are ignorant.

Also, while I am here, where is Vista SP1 chaps? Oh, yup, that's right, not here yet, leaving several bugs. Enough to make me roll back to XP.
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SP1 isn't being rushed out because we don't need it.
All serious flaws in Vista are fixed and patches are made available via Windows Update.
If I take a Windows Vista PC with all of the patches applied from Windows Update and was then to install SP1 do you think the difference would be night & day?
As to where exactly is SP1?
Well I have it installed at the moment - latest beta code was released to testers a couple of days ago, we're now at the RC stage.
It has been well tested for the last couple of months with the beta community doing a good job on testing it, reporting issues and then us seeing those issues fixed.
Release date could be as early as late December, however I would personally put my money on a January release.

As for rolling back to WinXP - no thanks.
Made the move to Vista64 both at home and work nearly a year ago now and didn't look back.
Never bothered with a dual-boot, just went straight to Vista and loved it.
 
WotDa said:
Also, while I am here, where is Vista SP1 chaps? Oh, yup, that's right, not here yet, leaving several bugs. Enough to make me roll back to XP.
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It’s just behind the Leopard service pack release. Oh, that was a new OS. ;):p

Vista service pack 1 will mainly comprise of the Windows vista updates to date and isn’t an absolute requirement at this stage. Which I feel, is why Microsoft are taking their time to get it right. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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MrLOL said:
oh come on dont be deluded

several microsoft devs have gone on record stating that the current dev team dont know what half the windows code does.

They darent touch it, because all they know is when they do stuff breaks. as a result its all left in there, and they just add stuff on top of the existing code base
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Are these leading developers or disgruntled employees who perhaps had to leave MS? What’s to say that they aren't just making that up?
MrLOL said:
If microsoft actually ditched the whole windows code base, and started again from scratch, you'd be able to do things with current hardware that would astound you. Simply because we all take it for granted we all need bigger and faster PCs. but some of that is to overcome the bloat that is windows.
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I was under the impression that Vista (certainly 64bit) was virtually completely re written? Hence its lengthy five year release?
MrLOL said:
I'll grant you XP SP2 systems currently are bug free, and are a perfectly stable environment. But it should never have taken as long as it did for XP to become that stable.
dont get me wrong, im no mac fan. I dont own a mac, and have a £2k gaming PC and shelled out for legit copy of vista. But im not deluded as to windows flaws.
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Every OS has its flaws; some are more popular than others and thus have many more people finding flaws. XP is pretty damn stable now, probably the most stable OS available?

I mainly created this thread to stir the pot a bit (:d) but to also highlight that OS X certainly isn't bullet proof and has hidden issues.
 
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