I hate the VXR forums sometimes

MikeHiow said:
I'll explain why I spent my money on a Corsa VXR rather than an Evo, M3, TVR, 996 or any of the countless other cars I could have had for the same money.

1. Warranty - Its highly unlikely that I'll incur any repair costs inside the three year warranty.

2. Reliability - A modern car is nearly always going to be more reliable

3. Running costs - Any of the "good" second hand cars you mention will attract at least three times the running costs, almost guaranteed. I average around 35MPG.

4. Servicing - 4 pretty much standard plugs, 5 litres of gm oil, cheap paper element filter, all easily accessible, and even a dealer service can be had for around £120.

5. The feel of a new car - no matter how well a car has been maintained, by the time cars get to around six years old, they just don't feel the same any more.

6. £550/yr to insure, fully comp - the same as my old Corrado VR6 and ACS 325 cost me TPFT - to put that in perspective, I cannot insure an Impreza, Evo, M3 or 996 for under £1300.

And about a million other reasons that I cannot list right now.

Even past the warranty, an engine rebuild is in the region of around £1200, turbo and manifold is £500, wheel bearings, ~£30, pads are no more expensive than any bog standard pad, discs aren't horrendous either - everything is cheap.

You'd have to be a sub89er to be so blind that you cannot see past the initial purchase price.
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You should be glad you didn't try and buy a 996 for 15K, it would have been 3 different cars glued together for that money unless you were very lucky...when it would have been only 2 glued together, with some tape.
 
MikeHiow said:
Whats amusing is that a VXR will rinse a GT4 (I know a 205 for sure, and fairly certain about the 185) in anything but torrential conditions.

You keep dreaming of your overweight clapper.
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Really, is that so. ;)

VXR

Engine: 1.6-litre, 4cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-spd man, fwd
Power: 189bhp
Torque: 230Nm (266Nm with overboost)
0-60mph: 6.8 seconds
Top speed: 140mph

GT4

Engine: 2.0-litre, 4cyl turbo
Transmission: 5-spd man, 4wd
Power: 255bhp
Torque: 298nm
0-60mph: 6.0ish seconds
Top speed: 150mph+

Oh its quicker to 60?..............wait................higher top speed maybe?............hmmm.
 
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cymatty said:
Really, is that so. ;)

VXR

Engine: 1.6-litre, 4cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-spd man, fwd
Power: 189bhp
Torque: 230Nm (266Nm with overboost)
0-60mph: 6.8 seconds
Top speed: 140mph

GT4

Engine: 2.0-litre, 4cyl turbo
Transmission: 5-spd man, 4wd
Power: 255bhp
Torque: 298nm
0-60mph: 6.0ish seconds
Top speed: 150mph+

Oh its quicker to 60?..............wait................higher top speed maybe?............hmmm.
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Remind me what the ST205 weighs, also, I think you're being a bit optimistic there with 255bhp, are you not?

That said, you can put down paper figures all day long, I can tell you from experience, and on multiple occasions that the Corsa has no problem with a ST205.
 
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MikeHiow said:
Remind me what the ST205 weighs, also, I think you're being a bit optimistic there with 255bhp, are you not?

That said, you can put down paper figures all day long, I can tell you from experience, and on multiple occasions that the Corsa has no problem with a ST205.
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The GT4 is fundamentally a better car. Larger wheel base, four wheel drive (compared to the Corsa's crappy tyre smoking and torque steering FWD), far more power.

You'd have to be a complete idiot to think the Corsa is better.
 
i think the celica you saw was probably a gt dressed up as a gt4. ive had a play against those chavved up corsas plenty of times (i live in essex...) and there is no real difference between my golf and those in a straight line and i definately cannot, at all, keep up with a gt4
 
MikeHiow said:
Remind me what the ST205 weighs, also, I think you're being a bit optimistic there with 255bhp, are you not?

That said, you can put down paper figures all day long, I can tell you from experience, and on multiple occasions that the Corsa has no problem with a ST205.
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Yes a ST205 has 255bhp or 236bhp if it's a UK car, however the only difference really is the grade of fuel it runs on 99 v 95. The weight of a GT4 is around 1400kg, not that it makes much difference as the speed increases.

If you had said your car beat a ST185 you may have a point, they are low 200bhp similar wiehgt and with the 4wd system they probably put similar power to the wheels as the VXR.

There is no way in hell unless the ST205 driver was driving like a fool would he get overtaken never mind "rinsed" by a 189bhp Corsa, unless of course the Corsa was not standard in which case that is not a fair comparison.
 
I don't know why this is being argued, my original comment was a retort to the blind idiot, but go on then, I'll entertain this one.

I've heard people preach about longer wheel bases before, can you put any hard logic behind this claim that longer wheel bases are better, and also in what circumstances?

Then we get to the "Corsa's crappy tyre smoking and torque steering FWD", so you're clearly another "know it all" who hasn't actually driven the Corsa - Neither wheel spin or torque steer are issues on the VXR, the car simply doesn't torque steer to any great degree (nothing that needs to be fought, anyway). That said, there is nothing wrong with a bit of torque steer, its can be quite fun - and I can guarantee its easier to control torque steer in acceleration than it is a high powered RWD car.

Are you another one of these people that think a car needs to be AWD or RWD to be good or fast?

Yes, the GT4 has 4WD, but its a barge, they weigh around 1500KG and feel like a barge in standard guise, too.

cymatty said:
There is no way in hell unless the ST205 driver was driving like a fool would he get overtaken never mind "rinsed" by a 189bhp Corsa, unless of course the Corsa was not standard in which case that is not a fair comparison.
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I see your point, I do, however, this was from a very slow rolling start and over about 1/2 mile, it wasn't a one time thing, I have no reason to lie about the outcome, I'm not under the delusion that the VXR is the fastest thing on earth.
 
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"Corsa's crappy tyre smoking and torque steering FWD"

To be fair, the corsa puts the power down rather well and certainly handles great- can't say torque steer was an issue at all.
 
Nimzicki said:
hahahhaha...hahhaha.....hahah....wwoooohh...no.
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Matt82 said:
statements like that should only be made in bright pink neon writing :D

pansy
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Not at all, its just all down to personal preference. I'm a bit of a RWD junkie myself, but I'm not deluded that a car needs to be RWD to be good, or fun - I personally find FWD perfect for the road, it provides the perfect base for some fun road driving, without getting too fast (4wd) or too committed (rwd).
 
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