I hate the VXR forums sometimes

Firestar_3x · 5 Nov 2009 at 12:43

k3wt said:
not sure exactly but i can somehow relate it to a rear wheel drive car with no limited slip diff.! well not quite the same but you know?!

(and yes i hate the VXR forums too)

You can't get a RWD car to torque steer, this is on account of no power going to the front wheels, you can get it to over and understeer but these aren't the same thing.

MikeHiow · 5 Nov 2009 at 12:43

MrFunex said:
I've noticed torque steer in my old remapped diesel mondeo! It'll happen in most moderately powerful FWD cars. It's not a criticism of the Corsa in particular, it's just the way it is. Pretty much every review about the VXR on the internet will mention torque steer.

I think the people talking about torque steer in a 190bhp corsa are EXACTLY the people who've had experience driving fast FWD cars.

I don't dispute the presence of torque steer, merely the suffering from it.

L0rdMike · 5 Nov 2009 at 12:44

My Honda S2000 torque steers all the time, oh wait....

Firestar_3x · 5 Nov 2009 at 12:45

L0rdMike said:
My Honda S2000 torque steers all the time, oh wait....

Stop trying to pretend you have Torques.

But if you did those front wheels would be going MAD with all the power going through them.............

Malt_Vinegar · 5 Nov 2009 at 12:46

MikeHiow said:
I don't dispute the presence of torque steer, merely the suffering from it.

riiigghhtt, so will you retract your earlier "idiots" statement then?

Firestar_3x said:
You can't get a RWD car to torque steer, this is on account of no power going to the front wheels, you can get it to over and understeer but these aren't the same thing.

Perhaps if you had a 4WS RWD car you could get torque steer?? lol

I was having loads of torque steer in my prelude after the engine swap. I figured it was the JDM spec UBER torques combined with the new exhaust/manifold and downpipe. Turned out to be worn front top ball joints

MrFunex · 5 Nov 2009 at 12:46

Firestar_3x said:
Stop trying to pretend you have Torques.

Is torque steer a function of actual power, or is it how the power is delivered?

My current ST220 mondeo doesn't suffer at all, and yet has similar torque to my diesel mondeo. However, the power delivery of the V6 is pretty much linear, compared to the power 'curve' of the TDCi, which was almost vertical at about 2000rpm.

I take it the VXR Corsa doesn't have a front LSD or anything...

MikeHiow · 5 Nov 2009 at 12:49

Not at all, its a non issue, I still find complaining about something so minor and trivial to be idiotic.

turbo-induced torque steer throws you in all directions.

You'd have to be an idiot to suffer like this from the car.

too much torque steer

Again, too much torque steer suggests it's a problem; it isn't, therefore idiotic.

NathanE · 5 Nov 2009 at 12:51

MikeHiow said:
I don't dispute the presence of torque steer, merely the suffering from it.

So what is the point of all your previous points then?

We say all FWD has torque steer, even your £15,000 Corsa.

You say your Corsa doesn't suffer from it.

Then you say it doesn't suffer from it because you've never done any hard acceleration in it before.

You make a unbelievably frivolous claim that RWD cars have bigger problems involving hard acceleration than FWD does.

You say we aren't providing sources for our "claims" even though Google/Wiki etc is full of the exact information we provide.

Who do you think is the delusional one here?

Malt_Vinegar · 5 Nov 2009 at 12:56

NathanE said:
snip

When you break it down like that, yer, he does look a little bit silly.

InvaderGIR · 5 Nov 2009 at 12:56

MrFunex said:
I've noticed torque steer in my old remapped diesel mondeo! It'll happen in most moderately powerful FWD cars. It's not a criticism of the Corsa in particular, it's just the way it is. Pretty much every review about the VXR on the internet will mention torque steer.

I think the people talking about torque steer in a 190bhp corsa are EXACTLY the people who've had experience driving fast FWD cars.

This is why Peugeots and many other cars (I know the Saab 9-3 is another one) have intermediate bearings, so simulate the driveshafts being the same length for each wheel, resulting in much reduced/minimal torque steer.

RWD cars are unlikely to get it due to having the diff in the centre of the rear and so providing equal length drive shafts on each side.

I've driven low powered FWD cars and experienced it to some extent, so I can fully believe that the Corsa with it's high power does indeed get torque steer.

Chris84 · 5 Nov 2009 at 13:02

My nephew has one of these and they are absolute rubbish.

MikeHiow · 5 Nov 2009 at 13:05

NathanE said:
So what is the point of all your previous points then?

Because you keep dragging it around in circles.

NathanE said:
You say your Corsa doesn't suffer from it.

It doesn't suffer, no.

NathanE said:
Then you say it doesn't suffer from it because you've never done any hard acceleration in it before.

No, I said I've never done a hard launch.

NathanE said:
You make a unbelievably frivolous claim that RWD cars have bigger problems involving hard acceleration than FWD does.

Yet again, you're either trying to twist what I'm saying, or you can't read; I said some RWD cars have bigger problems than torque steer.

NathanE said:
Who do you think is the delusional one here?

I don't think anyone is delusional, you have a point to varying degrees with most of your arguments, that isn't to say you are out right correct, though.

InvaderGIR said:
This is why Peugeots and many other cars (I know the Saab 9-3 is another one) have intermediate bearings, so simulate the driveshafts being the same length for each wheel, resulting in much reduced/minimal torque steer.

Correct, a method GM/Vauxhall has used for a long time, now.

InvaderGIR · 5 Nov 2009 at 13:08

MikeHiow said:
Correct, a method GM/Vauxhall has used for a long time, now.

All well and good with low powered cars, but I can fully understand that with a higher powered car the intermediate bearing is next to pointless, especially when a turbo kicks in.

MikeHiow · 5 Nov 2009 at 13:11

I'm not so sure about pointless, but they certainly don't solve the problem entirely.

But then, it isn't the only way to attack the problem, either.

InvaderGIR · 5 Nov 2009 at 13:16

Well, not pointless, but still allowing torque steer to come into play quite a bit.

NathanE · 5 Nov 2009 at 13:16

MikeHiow said:
I don't think anyone is delusional, you have a point to varying degrees with most of your arguments, that isn't to say you are out right correct, though.

You quoted and meaninglessly retorted every paragraph except the one about us providing Google/Wiki sources? Why miss out that one? Do you find it embarrasing?

danza · 5 Nov 2009 at 13:20

L0rdMike said:
My Honda S2000 torque steers all the time, oh wait....

I was going to say that my CTR doesn't torque steer one iota from a full-bore launch, but we all know where that'd get me!

[TW]Fox · 5 Nov 2009 at 13:21

Gosh this thread delivers doesn't it. First the Corsa VXR is 'probably the best all round car out there' then it doesnt torque steer.

Malt_Vinegar · 5 Nov 2009 at 13:22

Chris84 said:
My nephew has one of these and they are absolute rubbish.

Nice edit. Previously you said these were great, and were much quicker than S3's before editing it

MikeHiow · 5 Nov 2009 at 13:23

I felt no need to respond to that, I think the "m3 torque steer" example took care of that just fine.

What are these sources going to tell me? Higher powered FWD cars have a tendency to torque steer, we all know this, am I missing your point?

[TW]Fox;15251827 said:
Gosh this thread delivers doesn't it. First the Corsa VXR is 'probably the best all round car out there' then it doesnt torque steer.

Again, I haven't said it doesn't torque steer, I said it doesn't suffer from it, ergo, it isn't a problem.