I hate the VXR forums sometimes
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Is he on drugs?
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So despite the many different reviewers saying otherwise and the knowledgeable folk here saying otherwise too, including ones that HAVE driven it, it doesn't suffer from it.
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A few of the people that have posted in the last 12 hours! Read back.
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Who has been able to put experience driving it behind their claims of the car suffering from torque steer?
I drive this car every day, but what do I know?
You are hardly going to admit its not that great after splashing 15 grand on it are you?
It's like me being in denial over the fact my N97 sucks a bit in the mobile phone forum.
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Who has been able to put experience driving it behind their claims of the car suffering from torque steer?
I drive this car every day, but what do I know?
ME, as I stated in my post which contained quotes from a selection of reviews, and links to the original articles.
Which it seems you ignored.
Do you hoon it everywhere everyday? I suspect not given how greasy the roads are for half the months in a year.
Plenty of people drive RWD here everyday (MR for me) and cannot relate, whatsoever, to your fantastical "RWD have bigger problems than torque steer getting off the line" claims.
The thing that gets me is that you a few pages back listed all the bonus points of your Corsa purchase. And I agreed with you. Things like warranty, the feel and smell of a new car, servicing cost. These are all good points. Of course you didn't mention depreciational cost of having those things but I think people were willing to skip over that for you back then. But then you started spouting all this rubbish about the Corsa being a technically superior car to something like a GT4 or whatever. That's when people started having a real issue with your comments.
Plenty of people drive RWD here everyday (MR for me) and cannot relate, whatsoever, to your fantastical "RWD have bigger problems than torque steer getting off the line" claims.
The thing that gets me is that you a few pages back listed all the bonus points of your Corsa purchase. And I agreed with you. Things like warranty, the feel and smell of a new car, servicing cost. These are all good points. Of course you didn't mention depreciational cost of having those things but I think people were willing to skip over that for you back then. But then you started spouting all this rubbish about the Corsa being a technically superior car to something like a GT4 or whatever. That's when people started having a real issue with your comments.
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It was noticable from a full bore standing start. I dont think it was any worse than other FWD turbo cars I had driven, but I did note it which suggests that I thought about it enough to do so.
HOWEVER, it would not be a large point in my purchase of such a car (especially when taken in isolation)
I would expect a certain amount of "lairyness" and would consider the corsa VXR if I was after such a car. However, I have not driven its direct competitors, like the clio (for example) so I dont hold the full facts or personal experience to directly compare it to its competitors.
HOWEVER, it would not be a large point in my purchase of such a car (especially when taken in isolation)
I would expect a certain amount of "lairyness" and would consider the corsa VXR if I was after such a car. However, I have not driven its direct competitors, like the clio (for example) so I dont hold the full facts or personal experience to directly compare it to its competitors.
I have the advantage of three or four miles of usually clear B road on my travels, so yes.
Can I ask what you drive? I did state early on, a figure around 300bhp+
Technically superior isn't really what I said, I mentioned circumstances where the VXR was faster over just under 1/2 mile, in a reasonable straight line. As I also said earlier in the thread, it was a retort to an idiotic comment, and nothing more.
I had the chance to test the Corsa against its competition when I was originally looking for a new car, I found no real problem with the Clio or Corsa, but as I've said, coming from a Corrado VR6, I was used to torque steer. The 207GTI, however, was terrible, especially over a less than perfect surface - that was an instance where it really did take me by surprise, forcing me to correct.
Can I ask what you drive? I did state early on, a figure around 300bhp+
Technically superior isn't really what I said, I mentioned circumstances where the VXR was faster over just under 1/2 mile, in a reasonable straight line. As I also said earlier in the thread, it was a retort to an idiotic comment, and nothing more.
I had the chance to test the Corsa against its competition when I was originally looking for a new car, I found no real problem with the Clio or Corsa, but as I've said, coming from a Corrado VR6, I was used to torque steer. The 207GTI, however, was terrible, especially over a less than perfect surface - that was an instance where it really did take me by surprise, forcing me to correct.
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Nor me. It's all part and parcel of owning a hot hatch.
I'm not really sure why such a big deal has been made of torque steer. I mentioned it almost fleetingly and most certainly as a secondary point to my main point about traction through weight transfer (the Hyena gag). But that barely seems to have been discussed at all and it is FAR more important than any of this torque steer nonsense which is more just an inconvenience for the driver.
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Weight transfer is an annoyance with FWD, but only from a standing start, torque steer can impact on standing start and rolling.
I found high revs and sidestepping the clutch in the BMW to reault in nose up, arse down grip and go. In previous FWD cars I've had nose up, arse down, lack of grip, wheelspin, catch and go.
Rolling though, there was minimal difference between the two...whilst their is weight transfer it's not like the front lost grip or the rear gained anything noticeable.
I found high revs and sidestepping the clutch in the BMW to reault in nose up, arse down grip and go. In previous FWD cars I've had nose up, arse down, lack of grip, wheelspin, catch and go.
Rolling though, there was minimal difference between the two...whilst their is weight transfer it's not like the front lost grip or the rear gained anything noticeable.
well WTF has the last 150 posts been about then ?
Well he never denied its existance, just that it didn't cause him/the car to 'suffer' whilst driving - thus making it nothing more than a minor inconvenience rather than a debilitating problem that makes the car undriveable.
I think the last 150 posts have been more a conflict of terms and people looking to take a dig anywhere possible rather than any real total disagreement.
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He made it quite clear right then he was just saying that the car doesn't have a problem with it that makes it problem to drive.
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Because people were making out that torque steer was a problem on the VXR.
I agreed because I feel even on some of the cars more prone to it, it isn't a huge problem once you're used to it, more of an annoyance. On the VXR, it has even less of an effect, imo.
Is it a problem for you, in your tuned Vectra?
I agreed because I feel even on some of the cars more prone to it, it isn't a huge problem once you're used to it, more of an annoyance. On the VXR, it has even less of an effect, imo.
Is it a problem for you, in your tuned Vectra?