I just can't be bothered anymore tbh

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I just need a bit of a moan really.......

To start I want to say I am not a Man City fan Anyway......

I watch and play a hell of a lot of football, always have, but recently I don't think I have been able to enjoy watching a game on TV, regulations/referees have completely ruined it for me unfortunately

I turned off the Man Utd game after Kompany got sent off for whatever reason(refs do not need one of course) as it was obviously going to ruin it. (not necessarily the game, but it made it unfair)

I just can't stand the whole system where referees can seemingly do whatever they want, and then you can't say anything about it or you get cautioned!!! I have a big problem with the awarding of Red/Yellow cards, I have very rarely seen a red card that I have agreed with, but after it is given there is nothing you can do about it either .

I think the root of the problem lies in the organizations, it is like they WANT the game to be corrupt and unfair, if a team scored 5 perfectly good goals in a game, a ref could simply disallow them all giving a reason such as "i saw a push" or whatever, ok he might be disciplined in some way, but the game would not be replayed. (obviously this is exaggerated, i'm not saying this is likely to happen)
Also, I hate the way that players get cautioned for swearing etc or complaining to the ref, you might not agree, but I think that they have every right to complain so long as referees are not getting decisions right, it is like the people who make the rules do not realize how important the games are. I have had referees caution me for a good tackle or if there is no contact before, had goals disallowed and it is incredibly frustrating!


The thing that really annoys me is the regulations which have nothing to do with football, the ref is supposed to ensure the game runs smoothly etc, it is not about him! yellow cards for complaining to the ref, showing dissent, throwing the ball away(can't they find another one?), taking your shirt off, IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL!!



So I am going to stop watching football for a while, I would obviously like some form of video assistance for referees during a game, but that is far too sensible of course. Until that happens, it just isn't football anymore


/rant. sorry

 

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As if you're going to give up watching football in the season you might actually win the league for the first time in forever, just because you won't win the FA Cup. Give over.

I do not support Man City I have no allegiances to any Premiership clubs(though I do quite like Spurs)

It's the TV companies fault we think refs are so bad. We have all the power of replays and angles and slow-motion to arrive at what is actually the correct decision. Refs don't. And they won't, as long as they're not given the same use of technology we do.

Well that is my point, I am not necessarily blaming referees for the bad decisions, but so long as they do not get video help, players certainly should not be cautioned for dissent/complaining to them. I wouldn't complain if, before making a decision on a sending off, a ref quickly asked the 4th official or someone to go over it and tell him if it should be a sending off or not(same with goals imo)

I didn't get it right, and neither did the ref, but is that really his fault? Modern TV of course says yes, but it's really not.

It is not about fault, it is about having a fair game.

Maybe my OP does not come across as I intended, I was not trying to moan at referees individually making bad decisions, it was more at the whole state of the game where the whole situation is placed in the hands of a ref who gets very little help to make the decision. who can then not be criticized when he gets it wrong.

You're going to stop watching because a referee got a decision right? How strange!

Obviously not just because of the Kompany decision(i am not even disputing whether the ref made the right decision or not, it is in the rules, apparently that deserves a red card, that is ridiculous imo). I am fed up with seeing goals wrongly dissalowed, yellow/red cards wrongly given, surely everyone is?

 

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If you had no vested interest you wouldn't have posted this.

Vested interest in what?

If you mean the Utd/City game then I didn't, if anything I wanted Utd to win.

 

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Yeah I would not like be a ref, I play and watch loads of football but it is difficult even running the line for my amateur team never mind trying to call every foul correctly.

Yeah I had a game as a linesman once(years ago), couldn't wait for it to end tbh. It isn't easy with everything moving so fast, and this was a crappy sunday league game(actually not even that iirc), imagine the premiership!

I also disagree with technology use during the game, I think some margin of error and no stops is part of the excitement of football.

I just want a fair game really, teams work hard to try and score more goals than the other team, a ref can disallow it and that is the end of it, it just isn't right imo.

But keep the kicking the ball away as timewasting is a bad thing.

Agree with everything except this, there is another ball on the pitch in seconds, I don't care if a player throws the ball away in frustration(or just bounces it a bit forcefully, that's the worst one!), it is frustrating having decisions go against you.


Oh and the thing about technology stopping and starting the game too much, for goals at least you see about 5 replays by the time they have kicked off again so i don't see the problem, I would at lest like it to be used for goals, penalty decisions and sendings off.

 

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My best advice would be to read up on the most recent rules and realise you're the one that's wrong rather than the ref.

My best advice would be to read what I said

Obviously not just because of the Kompany decision(i am not even disputing whether the ref made the right decision or not, it is in the rules, apparently that deserves a red card, that is ridiculous imo).

Technically it is a sending off, it is that which i find ridiculous. I also find it amusing that people are saying that if Nani didn't get out if the way, he could have gotten injured, you could say something similar about practically every tackle. The thing that annoys me is the blanket ruling that twofooted=sending off, can't they understand that every situation is different?

If that deserved a red card, every game I have ever played in would be abandoned!

btw, i realise that the OP might not quite have come across as I meant it to

 

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here's the kicker, referees make mistakes too. Get over it.

Here's another kicker, it could easily be improved.

That is the whole point, they are basically saying "here ref, you have a game going at a really fast pace with lots going on, you now get to see an incident once and you have little time to make a big decision that will affect the outcome(of at least the game maybe more)"
"oh and it doesn't matter if you get it wrong either, because nobody is allowed to complain and if they do you can give them a yellow card and we will sort our any managers that say anything"

 

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That's not their fault, that's Fifa's.

Indeed, i never intended this as a direct moan AT referees, though I realise that is kind of how the OP reads(cut and pasted so that it is a little incoherent)

 

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I hate this 'ref ruined the game' line. It's bull. The refs are just there to enforce the rules, not make sure the game is 'fair' or 'good' they're there to enforce the rules of the game.

Players stop doing stupid things and breaking the rules. The ref stop 'ruining games'

If a referee disallows a perfectly good goal for no reason, he has ruined it, don't you agree? The whole point of football is to score more goals than the other team!

 

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No, he's not. He won't just rule out a goal for no reason.

The wrong reason then, you know what I mean, wrongly calls a foul or whatever

 

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You going to stop watching football because a player misses an open goal that could have won you a game, that in turn could have won you a cup?

That is completely different, and you know it....that is football!

Referees making mistakes that could easily be avoided with a simple replay is not 'part of the game'. Steps should be taken to remedy it don't you think?


Also, clearly I am not going to stop watching football, That was just a rant!!

 

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So what's the alternative - somebody has to be in charge to award fouls otherwise there really would be pushes before every goal!

If a ref isn't sure, allow him to ask someone who has access to a replay. It really wouldn't take long, it isn't as if it happens dozens of times a game

Why should referees have to put up with being sworn at in front of millions of spectators, what sort of message does that send out.... if you don't like a decision just tell the fat **** to **** off, bully the officials until they agree with you because they aren't allowed to book you for it? Ultimately the ref will think he got every decision right (at the time) so in his mind any complaint is unjustified, it's not like he's gonna stand there and think "well, I just gave a handball against Rooney and now he's called me a ****er, but it wasn't actually a handball lol, so I won't book him for dissent haha!". Players these days appeal for everything, penalties, corners, freekicks, throwins, offsides, cards for opposing players - sometimes the players are in the wrong too, not just the ref.

I got a yellow card sometime last year I think, can't remember tbh, for saying ffs after a ref gave a foul against me! (obviously i didn't abbreviate it). That is just ridiculous imo.

I think they should probably punish players for abusing the ref, i am not saying that is acceptable, but a retrospective punishment after the game imo, not something that has the potential to unbalance the game. It is incredibly frustrating to have bad decisions go against you.

 

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Indeed, there are other ways to express frustration then shouting abuse/swearing at the ref. Learn to control yourself OP, I don't want my kids to hear you shouting and swearing because you're a tad frustrated.

I should say that I have not and never would start insulting a ref during a game(or after, now I think of it). I am the most mild mannered person on our team. As I said earlier, I received a yellow card in a game a while ago for shouting FFS, it was not directed at anyone, if anything it was frustration at myself as I had given away a foul(I can't tackle to save my life).

And I agree, refs do a tough job and I would like to reiterate the statement I made earlier that I wasn't meaning to have a go at referees(despite how the OP might have come out), the bigger problem is that they are given no help at all, just a few seconds to make a potentially big decision after seeing an incident once. The frustration from me comes from the pov that it would be easily remedied with technology. Until then though, it seems to be set up in a way which guarantees mistakes, and no one seems to care about it. That is why I have a slight problem with severe punishment for dissent.

Someone mentioned Rugby as an example, i totally agree. On big decisions, if players knew that the ref(or assistant, whatever) was communicating with someone who had seen it in slo-mo etc, then there would be much less dissent and insulting refs, and any punishment should then be severe imo. As it is now though, a ref can make a big mistake and then punish a player for complaining about it, then the FA will punish the manager if he says anything, I don't like that.

 

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Lambert was sent off for getting up...)

That was ridiculous, Southampton would have murdered us in that game with 11 players, they battered us in the first half. He is certainly a handfull!