I still don’t need to upgrade... right?

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So I’m on a 4790k @4.4Ghz, now have 16Gb of Ram.

I’m likely going to get a 1080ti and an Ultrawide 1440p g-sync monitor to suite.

I believe my trusty Haswell will be up to the job, but I’ve been putting x299 and z370 upgrades in my basket for a while; the shiney shiney etc

Am I stupid to think about upgrading my 4790k?
 
FWIW, I'm using a slightly slower CPU (I think), an i5 6600K, alongside a GTX980Ti & 1440p G-Sync screen and I'm very happy with the performance.
 
I'm still using my 4820K at 4.4GHz coupled with 16GB RAM and a 1070 (1440p G-Sync) and not in a hurry to upgrade although I split some stuff between my desktop and 1-2 other systems such as my i7 laptop which reduces the requirement of upgrading to a CPU with more cores until stuff like games start really hammering 4 core / 8 thread CPUs.

I've hovered over a 7820X (specific to my needs) and 1080ti a few times and more lately a 2080ti but it just doesn't seem like smart money right now - especially I'm loath to spend money on a new Intel CPU before they implement hardware security fixes unless forced to due to something failing, etc. my current plan is to keep saving a bit and build a new system around the middle of 2019 but keeping an eye out in the mean time - if I see like a really good Black Friday deal, etc. I might jump on something earlier.
 
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Stick with what you have. I have a 4790k clocekd to 4.6Ghz and a 1070 gaming at 2560x1440 and I am not upgrading anytime soon. Ryzen is a downgrade in single core performance which is all important for the games I play and Coffeelake just isn't a big enough performance gain for the massive cost of upgrading, especially with these ridiculous Intel CPU price rises.
 
With those clocks there won't be dramatic differences.
Intel has had only single architectural improvement since Haswell: Skylake.
All new Intels since that have been tweaks to clock speeds and then increasing core counts, after Ryzen finally stopped Intel from being able to milk with quad cores.
(not to mention all those dual cores making sure most game developers haven't seen it worth to look much into utilizing extra cores)

Also current Ryzens wouldn't be much of an update for non-multithreaded loads, unless going CPU for upgrade path.


NovaKill4 said:
Wait for 9th gen to land next month, and if there is not much performance boost with that wait for Zen2.
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That "9th" gen is Skylake v4 and only difference to current Coffee Lakes will be from clock speeds+extra cores.
And with more than minor shortage of 14nm production capacity, availability will likely suck for many many months.
Already Coffee Lake had availability problems year ago without current production capacity issues.
So prices will surely be salty.

And Intel no doubt wants to grab what money they can, before Zen2 CPUs made on TSMC's 7nm node come out.
With rumored 10-15% IPC improvement it wouldn't take much higher clock speeds from GloFo made Ryzens to cause Intel headache.

Intel's actually improved architecture CPUs are in development hell of broken 10nm process and maybe come for winter 2020.
Though just like in case of Olkiluoto 3 nuclear power plant it's better to not to trust schedule that much.
I mean Intel's roadmaps advertised 10nm node originally for end of 2015 and it's been constantly moved.
Actually also desktop Ice Lake was removed from Intel's internal 2019 roadmap already in spring:
http://www.expreview.com/64204.html
 
Thanks for the sanity check chaps. I’ve been putting money away for an upgrade for a some time now, so I suppose it’s burning a hole in the proverbial pocket. The hardest work my CPU does is compressing large(ish) backups in ToDo Workstation, and that’s done at night mainly.

@Rroff Black Friday has been in the back of my mind too, if there’s any 1080tis left by November that’s when we’ll see the deepest discounts imo, and if not maybe the 2080 will be priced attractively. If there’s real incentive for a CPU upgrade I might bite too. I’d like to go Ryzen, especially as they’ve ironed out most of the teething problems, but the IPC just isn’t there for me at the moment.

I’ve been thinking about waiting for Navi but I don’t think 2020 is an unreasonable estimate and I’d like to upgrade to a high-end GPU and monitor long before then. I’ll fight the itch until Black Friday and see where I end up.

Thanks again fellas.
 
WantoN said:
I’ve been thinking about waiting for Navi but I don’t think 2020 is an unreasonable estimate and I’d like to upgrade to a high-end GPU and monitor long before then.
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With TSMC's 7nm node maturing going apparently really well first Navis having been moved to launch sooner than in older roadmaps.
Next year and half likely brings notable advances in graphics cards.
Besides obvious R&D money demand developing Ryzen CPUs also drew manpower directly from GPU development delaying Vega.
 
EsaT said:
With TSMC's 7nm node maturing going apparently really well first Navis having been moved to launch sooner than in older roadmaps.
Next year and half likely brings notable advances in graphics cards.
Besides obvious R&D money demand developing Ryzen CPUs also drew manpower directly from GPU development delaying Vega.
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Yep, iirc it was about 75% of Raj’s team taken off the Vega project. I would absolutely love to support Navi and Freesync over Nvidia, but it seems clear to me that AMD’s focus is squarely on profitable markets, and rightly so. I don’t think they’ll be targeting the >1080ti customers for some time, though I’d be delighted to be wrong. I’ll wait as long as I can.

It would be fantastic to have an all Red rig again after all these years, (I think the last I had was a Barton 2800+ and a Radeon 9800pro) just depends how long I can hold on for, and what Black Friday brings. I waited for Vega; inevitable dissapointment. I waited for Turing; laughed out loud. I’m not sure I can wait for Navi too; once you’ve got that itch it’s difficult not to scratch it :D
 
WantoN said:
I’d like to go Ryzen, especially as they’ve ironed out most of the teething problems, but the IPC just isn’t there for me at the moment.
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Yeah - I've built a few 1600/1700 and 2600 rigs for people and they are quite nice - now AMD have ironed out a few things they boot decently quickly and are untroubled by most tasks and if you are doing stuff that uses a lot of cores generally a great option but for workloads that don't use a lot of threads they don't stand out from my slightly overclocked 4820K. I built my dad a 2600 rig few weeks back as one of his main uses is audio editing which uses 6 cores pretty steadily and the Intel options at the same price aren't even in the same league for that use (plus he tends to have a lot of applications and background tasks, etc. going so the extra threads help).

For my usage though Intel is realistically the only option that and I won't give my own money to AMD anyhow.
 
Glad I’m waiting. Decided to nab a red 1080ti and take my time doing a nice little WC setup. I’ll take my time, most of it will hopefully come from the MM.

I’ll pick up a 27”+ g-sync monitor, preferably with Fald, and I’m sure that’ll do me for quite some time.
 
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