I want 4.4, any input :D

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All i have done is adjust Vcore and changed CPU multi.

i can get all the way to 4.35Ghz no problem passes all tests i run but that extra 0.05Ghz and it wont pass any tests but the system will post and i can post here like i am now, it dose crash out of games.

What other setting can i adjust to help with it been stable.

@4.35Ghz its stable 1.3v
@4.4Ghz its unstable all the way to 1.4v so its cant be a Vcore problem.

Motherboard MSI B450m mortar MAX
CPU Ryzen 3600 none X
Ram Corsair RGB PRO @ XMP 3600 / IF Matching @1800

all other setting are on auto
CPU Cooler - Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280mm
CPU hits 69c testing with AIDA64
 
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It's possible that 4.35 GHz is the absolute limit for that specific CPU you have, I had a Ryzen 1600 with 3.8 GHz as the limit, wouldn't go any higher no matter the settings.

Have you tried going slightly higher, like 4.375 GHz and see if it works? Have you tried adjusting LLC? You mentioned your all other settings are on auto.
 
InfiniteNoise said:
Have you tried going slightly higher, like 4.375 GHz and see if it works? Have you tried adjusting LLC? You mentioned your all other settings are on auto.
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no ive not i just went up in .5's i could try go up in .25's to see if i can get anything more that way.
all i changed was Vcore and the multi, i did know if adding a little to the SOC or somthing was the magic key. overclocking's not my strong point
 
I appreciate you've gone up to 1.4vcore but what actual vcore is it pulling under load?

To give you an example on my cpu doing an all core overclock when LLC was set to auto setting 1.3vcore would result in crashes as it would be pulling 1.2ish under load.

When I set LLC to it's highest setting I'd get about 1.29 under load and it was stable.

I'd open CPU-Z if you have it installed so you can see the vcore under load.
 
Why an all core manual overclock? It's not exactly performant these days. You are likely throwing away a LOT of dynamic boost clock and single thread performance.

The 3600 has a stock max boost of 4.3Ghz. The fact you have managed to get it to run all cores above that is impressive, however, I highly, highly suspect it will be one or two of the cores failing to clock that high. The marked cores have been tested to have higher quality silicon so can clock higher than the others. If you are going fixed, all core, at least take them a little higher than the others.

Try a PBO setup with an undervolted curve optimizer and a max boost clock of +100Mhz. That might get you to 4.4Ghz boost clock in single threaded work and likely still sustain around 4.1/4.2Ghz under full parallel load, if it's cooled right.

I took my 5800X from 4.8Ghz max boost and about 4.0Ghz under full Prime95 heat load. To 5050Mhz boost clock and 4.7Ghz sustained, all cores, prime95 heat load. It now gets a Rank 1 in CineBench for single threaded perf.
 
PBO fails to boot, crashes or as temps in the 90’s. PBO won’t push anything any higher than what I have set

I don’t know if it’s the chip, motherboard or a wrong setting but it’s just doesn’t like pbo
 
Odd. B450 board maybe. Do you have access to the "AMD Overclocking" settings and curve optimizer with that board? With Asus I have found there are two sets of AMD Overclocking, including two sets of PBO settings. One seems to be Asus's custom optimizations and the other seems to be AMDs direct optimizations. I found the former very useful on the 2700X with the dodgy aggression boost lying to the CPU etc. For the Ryzen 7 3z, for some reason, maybe the first tutorial I found pointed me to the actual AMD version of the settings. Lots of things changed at that point. Like the EDC reading something other than 0% of 0A. I imagine that MSI will have their own tweakage versions. But again, aren't a lot of the OC tweaks unavailable on B450 boards?
 
the only bios options i have are:

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every time i touch PBO it just crash's or runs silly hot. i remember getting into wondows and CPUz told me Vcore was 1.45v and for me that unacceptable when i know i can get 4.45 @ 1.3v
 
1.45 or 1.5V is perfectly normal. Watch it carefully. On mine it sits at 1.5V when idle. When a spot of work comes in, it goes to a core at max boost clock and the voltage comes down a bit. Put it under a full heat stress test with Prime95 and it drops the voltage and clocks way, way lower.

Basically PBO is doing what you are, just 100 times a second.

As to why it won't boot with PBO enabled. It's like the default settings for it don't work with that board. Do you have the VRM output stats for it?

If you boot into windows and look at Ryzen Master, what is it showing for max PPT, TDC, EDC limits? These will be the stock limits if PBO is off. At least you can put those settings into the PBO limits and see if that works.

Also, since you mentioned voltage and clocks. PBO will only work if you set those to AUTO. If you have other overclock features like voltage or multipliers I would remove them. Better yet, try a "Default" settings load (NOT optimized defaults) and try from there setting PBO to Enabled and rebooting. Then check to see if you can verify that with Ryzen master.
 
BTW. PBO isn't perfect, but it should be more performant under "typical load", including gaming. Just not the best with all cores flat to the wall benchmarking. PBO is a little bit more conservative on max load than some would like. I'm fine with it. 4.7Ghz across all 8 cores ... and 5Ghz flat on a single core load, I think I got lucky, but I'm fine with that.

However, there are people out there who use a "Bot" to switch the overclock mode based on CPU load. If the CPU total load is less than 50% it stays on PBO with higher single threaded clocks. When it exceeds 50% however, the bot switches to fixed clock per core overclock.

I followed this and it worked. https://youtu.be/F205IDSXoMk
There are dozens of other tutorials on this.

This is the other video of load sensing OC switching, https://youtu.be/gDLuwNp06-Q
 
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