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i5 with Win XP good or baaad

I update Windows XP manually every month . . . just checked and all these security updates have appeared in the last few weeks . . .

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I expect when I check again next month to see another bunch! . . . Windows XP security updates and support doesn't appear to be an issue at this time . . .
 
If the buddy in the OP was to buy an OS I would also advise him to spend his money on Win 7 (over XP), however if he has an existing copy of XP he saves himself at least £80. XP still runs fine and will not slow down a processor in any way.
 
if he has an existing copy of XP he saves himself at least £80. XP still runs fine and will not slow down a processor in any way.

Hmmm . . . I must say from reading the O.P I had "assumed" the mate already had a copy of Windows XP? . . . I am not advocating that someone should buy XP instead of Windows 7! :p

A buddy getting himself an i5 system and being a cheapa** wants to put 32 bit XP on it, will much of the "power" be unutilised with this OS?
 
The principle is the same, to say Windows XP is almost a "decade old" has no bearing on why someone should upgrade, it works, it does what its meant to do . . . just like the Sun! :D

What you should be doing is finding good "reasons" to convince someone to part with £80-£100 on Windows 7 and highlight the Real-World benefits it would bring them . . . . saying "Well everyone else is upgrading and the other O/S is old" is flawed reasoning . . .

You may think "technology moves quickly" but actually its plodding along . . .I've been watching it closely for 15 years and really nothing exciting has happened in ages . . . I would say technology is more "slowly but surely" . . .

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Theres nothing wrong with xp but id argue (tho it doesnt affect speed of cpu) that windows 7 is a lot nicer to use and feels modern :p

It wont be long before you cant even buy xp (only downgrade). When i last checked @ work, most of the major distributors had run out of xp home.
 
The OP asked a specific question relating to XP not using an i5 CPU fully, the answer is a simple one - it will use it just fine. Run multithreaded prime95 and you will see every core/thread at 100% just like in win7 as a simple example.

3.25GB RAM limit and DX10/11 are for other threads entirely
 
^Incorrect. XP has inferior multicore CPU support - compared to Win7 it lacks pervasive prefetching, an improved DLL loader that creates new processes faster, and an improved thread pool. 7 can support multiple pools per process, something XP cant do.

XP lacks something Win7 has called “SMT parking” or “core parking.” This is a feature developed in partnership with Intel, which supports the Hyper-Threading (HT) in the Core i5/i7s. In addition to managing the threads in cores, Windows 7 also manages the HT in the Intel chips.

XP also has none of the multicore features added in Win Server 2008 R2 which Win7 implements.

And...
XP stopped being sold to OEM's on October 22, 2010.

Support for Windows XP with Service Pack 2 (SP2) ended on July 13, 2010.

Apart from memory limits of 3 to 4GB, XP does not support 2+TB HDD's, so the new 3TB Hard Drives wont work (or only 2TB will be recognised).

XP cant do 4K alignment with HDD's and SSD's, so performance on modern SSD's and HDD's suffers.

XP has limited and very dated native driver support for hardware. Win7 will automatically install drivers for a lot of modern hardware, including a basic graphics driver so your LCD monitor runs at native res.

XP cant do any Virtualization.

XP has no native Blu-Ray support.

XP has no decent HTPC/Media Center capabilities.

XP cant play many many video codec types by default, Win7 can play many video types without having to download the codecs in order to play them.

XP has no BitLocker (Hard Drive encryption).

XP has no Backup and Restore.

XP cant output as many colours as Win7. Future displays (and some current displays) with higher colour bit rates wont be supported.

XP lacks Parental Controls.

XP is vastly less secure.

XP's search feature is ridiculously slow and completely useless compared to Win7's.

XP does not support the new motherboard UEFI BIOS chips (although there not technically called a BIOS anymore).

XP lacks any real touchscreen support.

XP lacks a way to use your wireless-equipped laptop as a wireless access point for other PCs when you're connected to a wired network.

XP lacks anti-convoy features to keep performance from degrading when a large number of threads are blocked, waiting for resources. You probably have encountered these. The whole system would freeze for several seconds and not respond to any input, then suddenly the system takes off again, running all of its processes. That was a convoy locking up everything.

XP cant do DX10 or DX11, but also many GPU compute technologies used in newer software because of this.

XP has no GPU acceleration for the desktop, performance suffers because of this, and a simple thing like dragging a Window will use way more CPU percentage. You also get screen tearing and screen redraw problems (where you literally see XP drawing the window).

XP does not support nonuniform memory architecture (NUMA) systems (in AMD Opteron and Intel Nehalem families).

XP was built back in the time of Symmetric Multiprocessing (SMP), where multiple cores in a CPU were seen as separate physical CPUs, as were multithreaded CPUs like the Core i5/i7. Memory was seen as a single fabric. Win7 sees cores as functional nodes, manages threads between the nodes, and allows for partitioning or allocating memory between cores.

XP cannot render more than one application at once. In Win7 more than one application can be rendered by the GDI layer at the same time. Each core can do a concurrent GDI rendering, and the GDI stack can send multiple requests out to the GPU for rendering work.

XP has inferior power management, memory management, and core management.


This is just a very small amount of the limits of XP. Theres literary hundreds.


If you have Win7 you can always run the XP Mode virtualization feature, a free download from MS for Win7, this will ensure pretty much any XP software will work.
Anything XP can do Win7 can do, and a lot more.
 
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Thanks for what? . . . there is so much meaningless nonsense in that post I don't know where to start? . . . heres just a quick selection! :D

A buddy getting himself an i5 system and being a cheapa** wants to put 32 bit XP on it, will much of the "power" be unutilised with this OS?

  • XP lacks Parental Controls
  • XP has no GPU acceleration for the desktop, performance suffers because of this, and a simple thing like dragging a Window will use way more CPU percentage
  • XP stopped being sold to OEM's on October 22, 2010
  • XP's search feature is ridiculously slow and completely useless compared to Win7's
  • XP lacks any real touchscreen support

Really needed someone who knows what they are talking about and have some facts about the processor side of things, that would have actually been helpful . . . i.e showing the processor performing better under the new O/S? :cool:
 
Stop burying your head in the sand! XP is out of date and is losing support quickly from both MS and other software developers.

You only need to buy an OS every so often - it is hardly much compared to what is spent on hardware. I'm guessing by the way the OP has worded it, they are either upgrading the hardware of a currrent XP installation or are pirating it, so the price side of things doesn't come into it. If you were buying new software, it would be a no-brainer to go with Windows 7, with it being quicker, more secure, fully supported, making better use of hardware, many new features etc not going into detail :)
 
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Hello Duke :)

Stop burying your head in the sand!
Don't say such ridiculous things . . . I Beta Tested Windows 7 for a year . . its a nice O/S . . . is it worth £80-£100? . . . not to me sorry :D

XP is out of date and is losing support quickly from both MS and other software developers
If you say that enough times you may actually start to believe it . . . for a lot people there is nothing wrong with Windows XP yet we have to put up with Windows 7 users telling us this, telling us that etc . . . its all basically their own "personal" justification which for the most part is based on flawed reasoning but they go on anyway and start to get agitated if you don't accept their reasons as important! :p

You only need to buy an OS every so often
It doesn't matter if you buy an O/S every year or every ten years . . . some people actually want real benefits for their money . . . I don't know about the O.P's mate but there is no Real-World benefit for me personally . . . so why would I spend £80-£100 on something that offers me no Real-World benefit? . . . why Duke why? :D

it is hardly much compared to what is spent on hardware.

more assumption . . . you have no idea what people spend on their hardware but of course you "assume" everyone does like you do . . . I just bought a used motherboard and a used triple core processor today for less than the asking price of Windows 7 . . . that is gonna create a whole new machine which will have a real benefit . . . the money £££ spent will help produce a tangible Real-World machine which has "value . . .

I'm guessing by the way the OP has worded it, they are either upgrading the hardware of a currrent XP installation or are pirating it, so the price side of things doesn't come into it
Hello and welcome to the thread! ;)

Why would the O.P's mate who is being sensible/cheapa** want to spend good money to unleash the performance of his new Intel® Core™ i5 :confused:

If you were buying new software, it would be a no-brainer to go with Windows 7
I agree 100% . . I do believe you missed the whole point of this thread though! :o

with it being quicker, more secure, fully supported, making better use of hardware, many new features etc not going into detail :)
Given the choice between Windows XP and Windows 7 I would take Windows 7 . . . Although as someone owning and using Windows XP there is no Real-World advantage in paying £80-£100 to upgrade to Windows 7, I don't think its any quicker, I don't think its any more secure, I don't think it makes better use of the hardware, most of the features are not that useful but please feel free to go into detail if you think everyone would benefit from your knowledge! :cool:
 
Not going to spend hours going over every point in detail with multi quotes. I just remembered why I often keep away from threads that you post in.

There is no point to this thread. Clearly Windows 7 is the best option, but they will have to decide whether it is worth it to them.
 
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Really needed someone who knows what they are talking about and have some facts about the processor side of things, that would have actually been helpful . . . i.e showing the processor performing better under the new O/S? :cool:

I know what i'm talking about and everything i mentioned IS fact, including the CPU points i wrote at the top of that post. Check for yourself, actually educate yourself for once Wayne.
I'm just pointing out all the downfalls of XP. Choosing to purchase end-of-life XP over Win7 for pretty much any reason is a bad decision - any sane reasonable person can see this. The security issues alone should be enough to make that valid let alone the hundreds of other advantages. You seem to be sticking up for XP for some bizarre reason and acting immature about it. You're clearly bias here, but this is often the case with you and it helps no one.
 
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Choosing to purchase end-of-life XP over Win7 for pretty much any reason is a bad decision - any sane reasonable person can see this.
You seem to be sticking up for XP for some bizarre reason and acting immature about it

You're clearly bias here, but this is often the case with you and it helps no one.

Oh dear . . . someone hasn't read the thread! :o
 
7 over xp any day of the week. I got mine for 30 quid, which is a total no brainer, all you need is a student email address, google it.

The i5 will run just as fast, but for the amount you are spending on an i5 setup, its worth it. Especially if you game

Have to agree though Wayne, just looked at what they charge for 7...not sure I would make the same call if I was paying full whack and already had an os I was satisfied with.
 
I had a search and could not find this being asked yet and if it has been i do apologise.

A buddy getting himself an i5 system and being a cheapa** wants to put 32 bit XP on it, will much of the "power" be unutilised with this OS?

Any pitfalls I should make him aware of?

Thank you in advance :cool:

I would get the hardware sorted out first. XP should be fine if your friend already has a copy. At a later date your friend could update the OS to Windows 7 if required.
 
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I reckon most of the people in the Steam hardware survey don't want to use XP, but they have to.

I think of a rolling eyes smiley when people start going forth on what "most" other people think.

My computer setup is about 2k total with the monitor thrown in. I still used my previous copy of XP.

It works with almost everything. Works with everything I do use.
Cba about the games that dont want to work on XP
Don't need more memory
Comfortable with the OS
Pita to reinstall everything now that I'm comfortable in this installation

Much waffle on how much better Win7 is but if it's almost entirely irrelevant to your computer use then it's no pressing upgrade.
 
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