i7 14700K issue!.

[Murray_7891]

CPU: I7 14700K

COOLER: Lian Li Galahad II Trinity 360MM AIO (non performance)

MOTHERBOARD: Asus ROG STRIX Z790H Gaming

MEMORY: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32mb DDR5-6000

GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER

CASE: Lian Li 011 Vision

PSU: Corsair 100 Watt

FANS: 3 x 120mm LCD (Set to intake, mounted on AIO), 3 x 140mm (set for intake), 1 x 120 (set for exhaust)

Needing some help please as i'm totally stuck....never really messed around in BIOS or ever overclocked any chips.

My dad whos built many systems performed recent upgrade to my computer system. After getting system home, idling away fine at 35-42oc. As i went to install graphics drivers fans spooled up like a jet engine and temps where spiking at like 95-100oc!. Happened again whilst i installed Fortnite and a few other drivers. So After a lot of time investigating (googling/reading forums/youtube) this is currently the steps ive taken so far to try and mitigate the issue.....

1. Updated to latest asus bios version
2. Took off AIO.. re-pasted with Artex MX-6
3. Made sure ive followed intels baseline settings (125pl short, 200pl long)
4. Set an offset devolt (0.05000)

Only things i can really think of is that i changed over the orginal AIO fans for Lian Li lcd fans, the fins/blades are shorter and stubbier. Plus with the LCD screens could be generating more heat whilst on the radiator?.

Cooling... maybe adding an extra 120MM at the rear of case for better thermal regulation. Also going to swap AIO out tomorrow for my dads one to see if its a potential pump issue. Should i have got the "performance" variant?. I've tried running just fornite with a few diffrent bios settings ive seen online but the fans/temps are still spiking like crazy and its continuing to thermal throttle. Could it be a dodgey cpu? (can you test the cpu??). Getting frustrated now all i wanna do is play FPS with my fellow gamers online.

Thanks!.

 

[Tetras]

Can you show us the sensor tab in hardware info (hwinfo) while you're playing please.

It should not be throttling with a 360mm AIO while playing games, so there's something not right.

In terms of: installing drivers, that can be expected that the CPU will reach max boost, but the AIO should be able to manage that without them spiking too high. Seeing the power draw will help.

Is Asus MCE disabled?

 

[Murray_7891]

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Please try this link to picture for some reason its not letting me link it in for some reason.

Ah i see. Its definately thermal throttling.

Yes Mce is set to disabled - enforce all limits?.

 

[Murray_7891]

Can you show us the sensor tab in hardware info (hwinfo) while you're playing please.

It should not be throttling with a 360mm AIO while playing games, so there's something not right.

In terms of: installing drivers, that can be expected that the CPU will reach max boost, but the AIO should be able to manage that without them spiking too high. Seeing the power draw will help.

Is Asus MCE disabled?

https://i.postimg.cc/PxmVf31F/Screenshot-6.png

 

[stephenb]

Is the radiator getting warm under load, can you hear the pump running? If not you might want to check your AIO is plugged into the CPU fan header (or whichever one your motherboard manual recommends) on the motherboard.

 

[Tetras]

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Gaming temps look fine, from what I can see, though I suppose for a 360mm AIO they could be a little lower.

Full multithreaded load temps are high, though it is true that the power draw is also high.

 

[Murray_7891]

Is the radiator getting warm under load, can you hear the pump running? If not you might want to check your AIO is plugged into the CPU fan header (or whichever one your motherboard manual recommends) on the motherboard.

Ive checked how hot the air is, coming from the case when its belting away at 90-100oc its rather warm. When idling away its fine. Doubled checked the aio power header is plugged into the aio power section on motherboard.

 

[Murray_7891]

Gaming temps look fine, from what I can see, though I suppose for a 360mm AIO they could be a little lower.

Full multithreaded load temps are high, though it is true that the power draw is also high.

In your opinion what could it be?. A dodgey AIO or a defunct cpu? (if thats a thing).

Ive disabled Asus Mce and set power PL1(125) and PL2 (200). Offset by 0.05000. Although i dont have the performance version of the galahad II?. Ill be testing the pump tomorrow with my dads one so that may give me the answer i need.

 

[Tetras]

In your opinion what could it be?. A dodgey AIO or a defunct cpu? (if thats a thing).

Ive disabled Asus Mce and set power PL1(125) and PL2 (200). Offset by 0.05000. Although i dont have the performance version of the galahad II?. Ill be testing the pump tomorrow with my dads one so that may give me the answer i need.

It is hard to say really, from the temps you're getting the AIO seems to be performing like a decent tower air cooler rather than a 360mm AIO, but I don't know what kind of performance to expect.

The characteristic of instant thermal throttling when you have 200 watt load is something else I'd expect from an air cooler, but so far as I know, AIOs aren't supposed to behave like that.

 

[Murray_7891]

It is hard to say really, from the temps you're getting the AIO seems to be performing like a decent tower air cooler rather than a 360mm AIO, but I don't know what kind of performance to expect.

The characteristic of instant thermal throttling when you have 200 watt load is something else I'd expect from an air cooler, but so far as I know, AIOs aren't supposed to behave like that.

Its the first time ive ever experienced this. Testing tomorrow (my dad has the exact same AIO) so going to swap out and see what temps are like. So that could potentially show me the issue. Chip, motherboard, AIO and ram are all brand new out the box.

Ive seen on a few other forums people returning there chip?. Could it be a dud chip or is the chip behaving how is supposed to?. Feel im going to have to phone overclockers next week .

 

[Tetras]

Ive seen on a few other forums people returning there chip?. Could it be a dud chip or is the chip behaving how is supposed to?. Feel im going to have to phone overclockers next week .

It is hard to answer, because there are a lot of variables here. I don't know how your AIO is configured, for example, or what the typical behaviour is under heavy load. Some AIOs do struggle with these CPUs at full multithreaded load because they're hot and power hungry.

In terms of the CPU being faulty: it is possible, but I think the contact between the IHS and the die must be decent, or you'd just instant throttle even when you're gaming.

I haven't personally seen an Intel CPU get returned for having bad IHS/die contact or poor thermal performance, but the AMD CPUs are far more popular around here anyway.

 

[Gray2233]

Reset your bios and run stock without setting XMP or anything else, see what happens. Without knowing how things are set up in that regard it could be a few things, but it's an easy way to check, it looks from those screens that you might actually have your iGPU enabled for a start, which isn't necessary when you have a dedicated GPU like the 4080S, your RAM doesn't look right in HWinfo so I can only assume there might be other potential issues. Do you actually have your monitor plugged into the GPU or the motherboard, for that matter?

Did your father do a new Windows install? Sometimes things can be a bit iffy, more modern versions rarely need it but sometimes you can run into problems. It's also possible you have corrupted or dodgy software running in the background that might be messing things up.

An update to the newest bios could help also.

If all you do is game the 14X00 series was probably not the best choice given the problems Intel had with that generation of chips, while I don't know if they can cause your exact problems it's worth double checking.

Also, what resolution are you running your games at? Those screens are 720P, if you're trying to game at those values you're putting far more load than necessary on the CPU which might be making things worse, you really shouldn't be getting 92% + CPU usage on Fortnite on a 14700K with a 4080S.

 

[Murray_7891]

It is hard to answer, because there are a lot of variables here. I don't know how your AIO is configured, for example, or what the typical behaviour is under heavy load. Some AIOs do struggle with these CPUs at full multithreaded load because they're hot and power hungry.

In terms of the CPU being faulty: it is possible, but I think the contact between the IHS and the die must be decent, or you'd just instant throttle even when you're gaming.

I haven't personally seen an Intel CPU get returned for having bad IHS/die contact or poor thermal performance, but the AMD CPUs are far more popular around here anyway.

AIO through the L3 connect softwares set to run off the Bios perimeters. Soon as CPU load intensifies the fans kick in like a jet engine. Its like the fans seem to be chasing the temps on the cpu constantly though. Again its not bad on desktop tasks but gaming its all over the place…77-84-92 degrees.

Thats why initially thought cpu, as soon as you give it any task wether its installing drivers or gaming its going nuts (even after dialling back settings in bios and undervolting).

Ah are they?…ive been intel since my first pc. Plus read some bad reviews on amd drivers stonewalling systems.

 

[Murray_7891]

Reset your bios and run stock without setting XMP or anything else, see what happens. Without knowing how things are set up in that regard it could be a few things, but it's an easy way to check, it looks from those screens that you might actually have your iGPU enabled for a start, which isn't necessary when you have a dedicated GPU like the 4080S, your RAM doesn't look right in HWinfo so I can only assume there might be other potential issues. Do you actually have your monitor plugged into the GPU or the motherboard, for that matter?

Did your father do a new Windows install? Sometimes things can be a bit iffy, more modern versions rarely need it but sometimes you can run into problems. It's also possible you have corrupted or dodgy software running in the background that might be messing things up.

An update to the newest bios could help also.

If all you do is game the 14X00 series was probably not the best choice given the problems Intel had with that generation of chips, while I don't know if they can cause your exact problems it's worth double checking.

Also, what resolution are you running your games at? Those screens are 720P, if you're trying to game at those values you're putting far more load than necessary on the CPU which might be making things worse, you really shouldn't be getting 92% + CPU usage on Fortnite on a 14700K with a 4080S.

I shall reset them tomorrow and see how i get on. It was stock settings that initially made me look into what the issue was as it was thermal throttling doing drivers and installing games back onto my system, then obviously when i was gaming with friends. I need to check to see if the iGPU setting is enabeld. What potential issue have you spotted with the RAM?. Display port from moniter into back of 4080S.

Yes, full 64 bit licensed version. Also done all driver updates and made sure windows had current update installed. Then after whilst going through all this i actually updated the bios too…re-pasted AIO back on aswell.

I appreciate your opinion. Although one of close firends has one on the same Rog board (albeit a diffrent rog cooler) and he hasnt seen temps any higher than 80oc whilst on gta/gaming.

When the game first went in i let the gpu set the pre-set default graphics as in some games automatically detects and set the standard sort of settings for the card..it was still throttling out. Seems the chip is absolutely wild. Again devolted and set the power back watt wise. Unless theres a pump fault on the AIO cant see it though as rpms are giving out diffrent readings.

 

[Tetras]

Unless theres a pump fault on the AIO cant see it though as rpms are giving out diffrent readings.

Soon as CPU load intensifies the fans kick in like a jet engine. Its like the fans seem to be chasing the temps on the cpu constantly though. Again its not bad on desktop tasks but gaming its all over the place…77-84-92 degrees.

Thats why initially thought cpu, as soon as you give it any task wether its installing drivers or gaming its going nuts (even after dialling back settings in bios and undervolting).

I'd expect that full multithreaded load would cause a ramp up (installing drivers or games can do that), but just gaming should be alright.

I think your cooler is better performing than the behaviour you're seeing, so my guess is that it is faulty or there's a installation/configuration issue.

I'm not aware of any CPUs that have temperature issues out of the factory, but like I said, most of the posters here are on AMD so we might not get those reports anyhow.

 

[Rroff]

Disable/uninstall any RGB software or motherboard control centre software - some of those are buggy and can cause high CPU load, also make sure the overlay is disabled in nvapp if you are using it to eliminate that (though it shouldn't have an impact during an nVidia driver install).

It is possible anti-virus or similar software is getting its knickers in a twist as well and causing high CPU load - I've had it before where the MS Malware Protection Engine gets stuck trying to update definitions and causes high CPU load.