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i7-4770K w/ 2080Super, upgrade build to 3700x or wait for 4000s to come out?

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Hey guys

I built my system back in 2014 primarily for gaming but I do some photo editing as well. Here's my current build:

i7-4770k @ 3.9GHz (OC)
MSI Z87 MPower Max
Corsair Vengeance 32 GB of DDR3 @1600 (PC3 12800)
MSI RTX 2080 Super (just upgraded)
C:SSD Samsung 840 EVO 1TB
D&E: Seagate Barracuda 3 TB 7200 RPM
Seasonic Platimun 1000 ATX PSU
Corsair Hydro Series H100i
Monitor: Dell U3011

I'm not into FPS like Apex but play games like Red Dead Redemption 2, The Division 2, Tomb Raider where the visuals are amazing and the story is good.

I recently upgraded my GTX 1070 to the 2080 super which has allowed me to put most of the settings on High or Ultra and have little issues but wonder how much the 4770 is bottle necking the system and is it time to upgrade. I've been a long time Intel guy but AMD has done a fantastic job from all I've read and since I do some some photo editing, feel it is probably time to move to AMD.

I plan to keep the core of the build (all but GPU) for 5 years, GPU generally has been upgraded 2-3 years. I'm currently thinking about the 3700x and match it with the MSI X570 Tomahawk (I don't push the limits of OCing and it looks like it's going to be a great board) that's coming out probably next month. Of course pair it with a good 32GB of 3600 Mhz RAM.

Here's my hold ups:

1- Will Zen 3 be that much better thank Zen 2 to hold off for future proofing? With technology changing so quickly, one could never pull the trigger if they keep waiting for the next best thing.

2- I'm not thrilled with X570 fans on the Mobo. I see that as a weak point and you probably can't replace them without replacing the whole board. But if they are going to do the same on the X670 boards, this isn't a reason to not pull the trigger.

Budget really isn't a major concern as I plan to spend $1000ish on CPU, Mobo, NVME and RAM. I already picked up a Fractual Design 7 to replace my HUGE Corsair 900D case. I don't need any RGBs which my 14 yr old son is pushing. Quiet is better. I plan to reuse the HDDs and PSU in the short term unless you see that as a major problem. Also, will I need an AIO

Thank you in advance for any advice and direction you can give me.

And I hope you and your families are healthy and safe during this terrible time.
 
Well I am on a 4790k and 1070.

Will get a 3070 and Zen 3 separately in whichever order they come out.

When you have existing kit that does a job, you absolutely can wait for the next best thing.

Seeing as you’ve dropped cash on a 2080 super, you may as well buy a new platform now and make the most of it.
 
Hi,

Tomb raider (one of them at least) has a benchmark built in that shows whether you are CPU or GPU bound.

I came from a 3770k OC to 4.6 and I noticed that my GPU usage varied from 85% to 100% (afterburner) on 3770k,

but with an AMD 3800X my usage fluctuates between 97 and 100% (in afterburner) and the smoothness in FPS was quite noticeable and that is with a 1080ti running 4k resolution.

X570 fans aren't really audible and gigabyte I think do one without (forget model). My spinny 2TB drive is more audible.

As for 3700X you cant really OC them that would make a difference for general use or will make a massive uplift in fps. High frequency RAM will get you more like you've spec'd. The CPU does all it's OC'ing for general use itself and it limited by temperature, mobo & CPU quality, but FPS wise, measurable but nothing you'd 'feel' the difference over. Just turn on PBO (Precision boost overdrive).

Will the next gen AMD CPU's give 'that' much in deliverables as 7nm has just given? Maybe a bit for CPU tasks but gaming - nah. Some high frequency RAM can be finickety but check the QVL list for your chosen board.

NVME wise currently I'd still would go for Gen 3 over Gen 4 on X570 due to sost and get a gen 4 later on when cheaper.

That 4770 will be holding your 2080 super back. You wont see much increase in fps game smoothness is something you will notice.

What resolution and refresh rate (hz) are you running?
 
Hey all

Thank you for the feedback. It's much appreciated.

I figured the 4770 is hold the 2080 super back

The current monitor is 60Htz with 2560 x 1600 resolution. So a little better than 1440. Not being a FPS guy, having a super fast monitor would be the last change as this one produces amazing colors. I bought it originally for my photo editing.

I thank you again for the time you took to respond to my question.
 
Hey guys

I built my system back in 2014 primarily for gaming but I do some photo editing as well. Here's my current build:

i7-4770k @ 3.9GHz (OC)
MSI Z87 MPower Max
Corsair Vengeance 32 GB of DDR3 @1600 (PC3 12800)
MSI RTX 2080 Super (just upgraded)
C:SSD Samsung 840 EVO 1TB
D&E: Seagate Barracuda 3 TB 7200 RPM
Seasonic Platimun 1000 ATX PSU
Corsair Hydro Series H100i
Monitor: Dell U3011

I'm not into FPS like Apex but play games like Red Dead Redemption 2, The Division 2, Tomb Raider where the visuals are amazing and the story is good.

I recently upgraded my GTX 1070 to the 2080 super which has allowed me to put most of the settings on High or Ultra and have little issues but wonder how much the 4770 is bottle necking the system and is it time to upgrade. I've been a long time Intel guy but AMD has done a fantastic job from all I've read and since I do some some photo editing, feel it is probably time to move to AMD.

I plan to keep the core of the build (all but GPU) for 5 years, GPU generally has been upgraded 2-3 years. I'm currently thinking about the 3700x and match it with the MSI X570 Tomahawk (I don't push the limits of OCing and it looks like it's going to be a great board) that's coming out probably next month. Of course pair it with a good 32GB of 3600 Mhz RAM.

Here's my hold ups:

1- Will Zen 3 be that much better thank Zen 2 to hold off for future proofing? With technology changing so quickly, one could never pull the trigger if they keep waiting for the next best thing.

2- I'm not thrilled with X570 fans on the Mobo. I see that as a weak point and you probably can't replace them without replacing the whole board. But if they are going to do the same on the X670 boards, this isn't a reason to not pull the trigger.

Budget really isn't a major concern as I plan to spend $1000ish on CPU, Mobo, NVME and RAM. I already picked up a Fractual Design 7 to replace my HUGE Corsair 900D case. I don't need any RGBs which my 14 yr old son is pushing. Quiet is better. I plan to reuse the HDDs and PSU in the short term unless you see that as a major problem. Also, will I need an AIO

Thank you in advance for any advice and direction you can give me.

And I hope you and your families are healthy and safe during this terrible time.

Get a 3600X/3700X now. You can always upgrade to 4000 series when ever this come out later in the year, or next year, or the year after.
 
If you are not having performance issues, hold out upgrading.

You haven't mentioned anything about things not being fast enough.
 
Sell the 4770k, motherboard and ram which should net you £250+ then grab a b450 tomahawk ryzen 5 3600 32gb ram which will cost about £400 so for 150 quid you got a much better core system with the ability to drop in a 4700x/4900x when those are released or wait a month and do the same but with the x570 tomahawk.
 
@Panos @Scramz I'm leaning in the direction you mentioned since the X570 will support the 4000 series. Something I couldn't consider with Intel. Thank you
@DoneADougalOnSofa That's a great point. I'm somewhat techie and will give the further OCing a further look. Thank you for that point
@Disco_P Once I upgraded to the 2080 super, most of the performance issues have been resolved with gaming, photo editing is still slow.
@Joxeon Even though I've been successful in selling my GTX 1070 and other GPUs I never thought about selling the other components. Just figured there was no market. That would certainly help cover some costs for the upgrade. Thank you
 
@Panos @Scramz I'm leaning in the direction you mentioned since the X570 will support the 4000 series. Something I couldn't consider with Intel. Thank you
@DoneADougalOnSofa That's a great point. I'm somewhat techie and will give the further OCing a further look. Thank you for that point
@Disco_P Once I upgraded to the 2080 super, most of the performance issues have been resolved with gaming, photo editing is still slow.
@Joxeon Even though I've been successful in selling my GTX 1070 and other GPUs I never thought about selling the other components. Just figured there was no market. That would certainly help cover some costs for the upgrade. Thank you

Even the B450 will support the 4000
 
thought about selling the other components. Just figured there was no market. That would certainly help cover some costs for the upgrade. Thank you
My brother sold his z97 4790k and 16gb of ram a few months back for £250 and it was only up for a few days before it was brought so there's definetly a market for these 2nd hand parts and is a great way to offset the cost of a new build.
 
I'm running a 4770k @4.5ghz with a EVGA 2080 super FTW3 Ultra fine with zero problems in modern games.
 
Keep toying with the idea of ditching my 4790k and jumping on the AMD train. But everything I read / watch leads me to suggest I won’t actually get that much of a boost in what I use it for (work, browsing and games).

At the moment with the 1080ti I can run everything maxed out at 1440p so I’m going to fight the upgrade itch and hold out for some proper gains. I haven’t even tried OC what I have yet which would no doubt see a boost in performance.
 
I am in same boat, have around £5k to spend on a 4K setup but no idea when new Intel cpus are out or the new Nvidia cards so may hold out for these.

Guess I could get a 3700x setup and use my 1070 still with my current monitor for now?
 
Grab a cheap 3600 now for and upgrade to a 8c16t 4000 series later in the year.

I'm going for this option, the difference between our systems is that I'm on a 4690k (at 4.5Ghz) and it has been hitting 95-100% in games - mainly Warzone and Breakpoint.

I game at 1440p 144Hz and if playing Warzone I like to use "competitive settings" to maximise frame rates.

I have just started my upgrade now having just ordered a case (Phanteks P600s) and Ram (8Pack 32gb C16 3600).

I'll be getting a X570 Tomahawk as the reviews look awesome along with a 3600 for now and then replace this with a 4700x/4900x this time next year when prices drop off a bit. If the MSI board releases higher than the £200 price point then I'd be tempted by the Asus TUF or even the Strix F.

Shopping around I expect you could get a reasonable cpu/mobo/ram (3600/32gb c16 3600/X570 Tomahawk) set up for about £580-£600.
 
I would wait for Zen3, as you don't know if AMD will release another chipset for it at launcha,and say certain things won't work with X570 motherboards.
 
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If it's primarily for gaming I'd just overclock a bit and wait for Zen 3. Since you only have a 60hz monitor (that it sounds like you're keeping) it's unlikely the CPU is bottlenecking your GPU in any meaningful way.
 
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