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i7 8700k vs HD 4870

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I am going to be getting a new system soon, am thinking maybe the upcoming Coffee Lake CPUs might be a good choice, I do game quite a bit but I use my system for non-gaming more than gaming. I currently have an old ATI HD 4870 1GB, I have been wanting to upgrade for years now but when ever a new GPU comes out I there is something about it that I am not quite happy with, I could get a second hand card and wait for Volta, which I might be up doing. But I was wounding if the integrated graphics will be able to match my 4870 so I could have a quieter system. I know the 8700k is not out yet, but if we presume it will have a 10% boost over the 7700k I think that is a safe bet.
 
I had a look around, and if you go here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-630.187948.0.html

Scroll down about half way and it'll give you some game examples.

The 8700k will be maybe as much as 20-25% better since these are laptop CPUs tested, so have lower clockspeed. But it looks like it'll only be good enough for low settings at 1920x1080 (or lower res) on anything other then very easy to run games.

I couldn't really find a comparison to the 4870. The 4870 is likely faster still, as it should be around an RX 450. The 4870 is probably a bad idea to use anyway though as it only supports up to DX10.1 and OpenGL 3.3. So regardless of if it has the processing power, you may not be able to play some modern games on it anyway.

What kind of work do you do other than gaming? You may not need the CPU power of the fastest 6-core money can buy. It may be better for you to wait for the AM4 Zen+Vega graphics APUs, if you want competent CPU performance but also gaming in one package. Although we don't have an exact date for that, and you'd only really want that if you also wanted to save money.

If money isn't a big deal, the best bet could be go with the 8700k like you plan, but then get something like this: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19e-gi.html

That card will only spin up the fans when it goes over 60 degrees or so. So will remain totally passive unless you play a demanding game. It is also very low power, so doesn't require any power connectors, just slot it into a PCI-E slot. And also has the processing power to run any modern game at 1920x1080 and medium/high.
 
AllBodies said:
I had a look around, and if you go here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-630.187948.0.html

Scroll down about half way and it'll give you some game examples.

The 8700k will be maybe as much as 20-25% better since these are laptop CPUs tested, so have lower clockspeed. But it looks like it'll only be good enough for low settings at 1920x1080 (or lower res) on anything other then very easy to run games.

I couldn't really find a comparison to the 4870. The 4870 is likely faster still, as it should be around an RX 450. The 4870 is probably a bad idea to use anyway though as it only supports up to DX10.1 and OpenGL 3.3. So regardless of if it has the processing power, you may not be able to play some modern games on it anyway.

What kind of work do you do other than gaming? You may not need the CPU power of the fastest 6-core money can buy. It may be better for you to wait for the AM4 Zen+Vega graphics APUs, if you want competent CPU performance but also gaming in one package. Although we don't have an exact date for that, and you'd only really want that if you also wanted to save money.

If money isn't a big deal, the best bet could be go with the 8700k like you plan, but then get something like this: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19e-gi.html

That card will only spin up the fans when it goes over 60 degrees or so. So will remain totally passive unless you play a demanding game. It is also very low power, so doesn't require any power connectors, just slot it into a PCI-E slot. And also has the processing power to run any modern game at 1920x1080 and medium/high.
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Don't really see the point of comparing it to the laptop variant, also I don't think the 4870 is anywhere near the power of the RX 450. The only reason why I ask is if I do get the 8700k and if don't have a decent graphics card whether I should use the iGPU, more of a matter of interest than anything else.

My 3930k died a while ago, so have been using my previous system, a Q6600, but it seems that the progress of CPUs over the next few years will be a lot greater than the previous few years. Which is why I am wanting to get a more mainstream CPU, such as the 8700k, over Threadripper or Skylake-X, that and the fact that the Pound has crashed. Ultimately, I think that due to the ultra high GPU prices and the weak Pound I might end up getting a GTX 770 or GTX 960 second hand for around £60 - £80 then wait for Volta early next year and get the GTX 1170 or maybe the GTX 1180. Also I do not really want to play a game on anything other than max at 1440p60, but I am really not that bothered about playing the latest games when they come out, which is why I am using such an old card.

But all of this is irrelevant, it more of casual interest than anything else whether the 8700k will be able to match my 4870. I did look at some benchmarks, and the 7700k got 135 FPS on Half-Life 2: Lost Coast on high with 2x anti-a where I test my 4870 and got 141, so if that is anything to go by the 8700k might be able to match the 4870, after all it is a very very old card.
 
If you want to upgrade that card get into MM with 1000 posts and you could just buy yourself a HD 7850 for £40, massive upgrade for little outlay. If you want to use the PC for very little gaming then a GTX 1050ti new wouldn't be a bad bet.
 
Doogles said:
If you want to upgrade that card get into MM with 1000 posts and you could just buy yourself a HD 7850 for £40, massive upgrade for little outlay. If you want to use the PC for very little gaming then a GTX 1050ti new wouldn't be a bad bet.
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Second hand cards for the meantime is defiantly an option, although I don't really fell like posting just to make 1000 just for that. But that is not the issue here, just kind of curious on how bad my card has become and how it compares to integrated graphics.
 
Dark Light said:
Second hand cards for the meantime is defiantly an option, although I don't really fell like posting just to make 1000 just for that. But that is not the issue here, just kind of curious on how bad my card has become and how it compares to integrated graphics.
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I'd say the HD 4870 is on slightly better than current Intel Graphics however it doesn't support DX11.
 
Not exactly Coffee Lake but had a play around with a SL desktop with a HD530 at work and the IGP was pretty poor. Stuck an old 5670 which may be lacking in DX 12 but it does the job a million times better. I doubt KL and CL's IGP will still be any closer.

The 4870 was replaced by the 5770 with very similar performance, which was replaced by the 7770 also with similar performance. The same chip was rebranded all the way to the 450... so in terms of performance the 4870 is close to the 450. The RX 540 seems to be the sucessor to it, and the 550 looks like a faster variant, so any GPU above the 550 I would say is a decent upgrade from the 4870.
 
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