I9 9900k OEM v Retail

peter224722 · 12 Oct 2019 at 22:33

HI , Looking at the I9 9900k on the overclockers web site at the price of the retail v oem.
Retail @ £480 and the OEM @ £495 normally for hard drives etc , a oem version is just in a anti static where the retail version is in a fully packed retail box and is a few pound more expensive.
So why is the retail cheaper then the oem ? , are they the same thing ?

Rroff · 12 Oct 2019 at 22:35

Off the top of my head I think it is a funny situation at the moment because Intel is supporting the retail price but not extending the same offer to the OEM product.

Gray2233 · 12 Oct 2019 at 22:35

When it comes to CPU's it usually means you get more basic packaging and no stock HSF, as far as I'm aware the 9900K doesn't come with heatsink anyway.

I'd contact OCUK about it via the support section of the forum, they might well change some of the pricing to suit.

Otherwise you can blame Intel.

peter224722 · 12 Oct 2019 at 23:06

Gray2233 said:
When it comes to CPU's it usually means you get more basic packaging and no stock HSF, as far as I'm aware the 9900K doesn't come with heatsink anyway.

I'd contact OCUK about it via the support section of the forum, they might well change some of the pricing to suit.

Otherwise you can blame Intel.

Does any of the i9 chips comes with heatsink and fans ? , I was going to go full 2 x 360 rad water cooling loop , but I think I'm just going to get a AIO 360 rad for it.
I'm watching the price right now to see if the price will drop a little more before the end of the mouth when I press the buy button !!

Gray2233 · 12 Oct 2019 at 23:21

I don't believe so.

They can push out a lot of heat, it probably wouldn't be worth it for Intel to bundle something that could handle the temps. They barely manage it for their more standard chips, let alone the top end. I'd recommend either high end air or a custom loop for one, which it looks like you're going for anyway. The cost to get one of the better AIO's would run into a similar cost as a semi-decent kit anyway. Although I'm sure I'll have dome disagreement there.

os4321 · 12 Oct 2019 at 23:23

Also the warranty is different by the looks of it you get 3 Year Warranty with Retail version and only 1 Year Warranty with OEM.

Steveocee · 13 Oct 2019 at 08:45

OEM comes in plastic clamshell in plain white box with less warranty.

Retail price is being attacked as the 9900KS is imminently out and Intel are responding in part to AMD pricing by offering cuts.

FWIW 9900KS will turbo all cores to 5Ghz so don't expect to get a good clocker if you buy 9900K as theyre all being binned by Intel and it is not known yet what kind of heat/voltage those chips will do 5Ghz at.

peter224722 · 13 Oct 2019 at 11:27

Gray2233 said:
I don't believe so.

They can push out a lot of heat, it probably wouldn't be worth it for Intel to bundle something that could handle the temps. They barely manage it for their more standard chips, let alone the top end. I'd recommend either high end air or a custom loop for one, which it looks like you're going for anyway. The cost to get one of the better AIO's would run into a similar cost as a semi-decent kit anyway. Although I'm sure I'll have dome disagreement there.

My full loop I was going to build for my case a "lian li o11 dynamic xl" it would have been a lot more expensive than a AIO water cooler at about £500 plus !!! , and I've already got the RBG fans ( 6 ), which cost me £20 each and £70 for the RBG fan controller ( commander pro ).

peter224722 · 13 Oct 2019 at 11:32

Steveocee said:
OEM comes in plastic clamshell in plain white box with less warranty.

Retail price is being attacked as the 9900KS is imminently out and Intel are responding in part to AMD pricing by offering cuts.

FWIW 9900KS will turbo all cores to 5Ghz so don't expect to get a good clocker if you buy 9900K as theyre all being binned by Intel and it is not known yet what kind of heat/voltage those chips will do 5Ghz at.

So are the KS more over clockable than thre K chips ?

Destination · 13 Oct 2019 at 11:34

The KS are binned k chips that will do 5.0 on all cores on OC.
Many of the original K were capable of this, but now they do not seem to manage, due to the binning of the better variants.
The KF have defective IGP, so it is disabled, and the rest of the chip runs, but the OC qualities are unknown and probably quite variable given the dead IGp core.

TrM · 14 Oct 2019 at 05:23

Gray2233 said:
I don't believe so.

They can push out a lot of heat, it probably wouldn't be worth it for Intel to bundle something that could handle the temps. They barely manage it for their more standard chips, let alone the top end. I'd recommend either high end air or a custom loop for one, which it looks like you're going for anyway. The cost to get one of the better AIO's would run into a similar cost as a semi-decent kit anyway. Although I'm sure I'll have dome disagreement there.

people allways like to disagree

but I do think intel sould provide a stock cooler with all there CPU’s. Look at amd wraith prism cooler now I know we can’t really test it on intel but something like that in intel box would be a nice starter cooler for the cpu.

Having a stock cooler means you can also spread out the cost a bit more on your custom build. One less thing u need to buy at point of sale with cpu ram mobo normally as a base upgrade (I know there are other parts as well) having to buy cooler also will push the price up when u could wait a few weeks and buy the cooler you want. Most of us have to cut something to hit a price point.

a stock cooler is also good for first setup when testing out of the case exp for people with hard tube custom loop allows u to test before reassembling you’re whole system

also whilst a 9900k is a heat generator at oc levels at stock it’s pritty easy to cool really only when tour trying to get that last bit out of it.

but I also wished ryzen 3900x come with some sort of basic gpu inside also just something to show a display out so you don’t have to use my main card when testing outside the case.

but a very good air cooler or watercooling is very good advice though custom loops do have more moving parts and is prone to failure and leaks and compatibility issues and can be quite intimidating for first build though. Allways do your research and get advice from people. But I do recommend a Noctua nh-d15 now in black looks good and excellent cooling

Rroff · 14 Oct 2019 at 05:34

Intel stock coolers have been pretty woeful since around 2005 I don't consider it a big loss - usually some cheap aluminium and a fan running far too fast to keep it cool. AMD's bundled ones with Ryzen are a little better but I doubt they'd handle the heat from an upper tier Intel CPU particularly well.

TrM · 14 Oct 2019 at 05:45

Rroff said:
Intel stock coolers have been pretty woeful since around 2005 I don't consider it a big loss - usually some cheap aluminium and a fan running far too fast to keep it cool. AMD's bundled ones with Ryzen are a little better but I doubt they'd handle the heat from an upper tier Intel CPU particularly well.

the upper tier intel cpu are not that bad to cool though at stock. I would bet my 3900x at stock setting is harder to cool then a 9900/9700 cpu is and the stock prison cooler doesn’t do a bad job

Deleted User 456458 · 14 Oct 2019 at 09:12

Most boards have MCE enabled by default which will oc the chip by default and thus draw more power. Not to mention they’ll will run higher than needed voltage which will general more heat than a self tune.

It takes very little effort to get into 120+ amp range on a 9900k. At that point, you’d need a decent cooler which would be expensive to add. People already complain about the price plenty.

The 9900k has a small die and a thick pcb + silicon which makes the heat dissipation a challenge.

Gibbo · 14 Oct 2019 at 10:11

You need to pay less attention to prices!

9900K Retail is on weekly offer, once it has finished Retail will cost more.
9900k OEM is stock purchased on a weaker pound also, hence why its not on offer and at same time was and now is sold out so no need to further reduce.
9900KF Retail is the better buy for many as it saves those money who have discreet graphics cards and Intel have reduced cost on these by around $20 or so in order so they are no longer same price as the regular chip with onboard graphics, an argument we had with Intel since launch a year ago as to why the CPU with less features cost us the same more or less as the full blown part, it took several months but they finally listened or the mountain they had stockpiled made them realise to sharpen its price so its under the regular 9900K processor.

9900KS will come soon (speed binned part) but will be so limited it may not even be available in retail space and only available as a full PC or bundle, anyone selling single part expect some truly insane price levels due to its rarity.

clone · 14 Oct 2019 at 10:15

Buy the retail if you can as you get longer warranty and will get a better price should you sell it.

peter224722 · 14 Oct 2019 at 13:48

TrM said:
people allways like to disagree but I do think intel sould provide a stock cooler with all there CPU’s. Look at amd wraith prism cooler now I know we can’t really test it on intel but something like that in intel box would be a nice starter cooler for the cpu.

Having a stock cooler means you can also spread out the cost a bit more on your custom build. One less thing u need to buy at point of sale with cpu ram mobo normally as a base upgrade (I know there are other parts as well) having to buy cooler also will push the price up when u could wait a few weeks and buy the cooler you want. Most of us have to cut something to hit a price point.

a stock cooler is also good for first setup when testing out of the case exp for people with hard tube custom loop allows u to test before reassembling you’re whole system

also whilst a 9900k is a heat generator at oc levels at stock it’s pritty easy to cool really only when tour trying to get that last bit out of it.

but I also wished ryzen 3900x come with some sort of basic gpu inside also just something to show a display out so you don’t have to use my main card when testing outside the case.

but a very good air cooler or watercooling is very good advice though custom loops do have more moving parts and is prone to failure and leaks and compatibility issues and can be quite intimidating for first build though. Allways do your research and get advice from people. But I do recommend a Noctua nh-d15 now in black looks good and excellent cooling

I have been running a stock cooler on my I7 2600k and the fan that came with it was a real train if you run it 100% without OC and would run hot.
Now I've gone AIO I wish I had gone water cooled years before, just can`t see the point of including a cheap heat sink fan which most people are going to bin anyway.

Woodsta888 · 14 Oct 2019 at 14:13

Gibbo said:
9900KS will come soon (speed binned part) but will be so limited it may not even be available in retail space and only available as a full PC or bundle, anyone selling single part expect some truly insane price levels due to its rarity.

Bit of bummer for those waiting for a KS.

peter224722 · 14 Oct 2019 at 14:33

Woodsta888 said:
Bit of bummer for those waiting for a KS.

Why the waiting for the KS chips , there out now.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-679-in.html

Steveocee · 14 Oct 2019 at 15:35

peter224722 said:
Why the waiting for the KS chips , there out now.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-679-in.html

Minus the iGPU and with an unknown potential speed? KS are going to be all core 5Ghz. There is nothing to say that any i9 purchased that is not a KS will do that even at silly voltage.

Woodsta888 said:
Bit of bummer for those waiting for a KS.

Agreed.

Very disappointing that they may never see the retail shelves and even worse for anyone now wanting to buy a "normal" i9 as you are pretty much buying the chips that Intel have deemed as "won't do 5Ghz".

****KF may be a different story depending on whether iGPU is tested before or after clock speeds. Then again, knowing Intel there could be a 9900KFS.