Identify the Poop (pest)

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Having a hard time identifying the poop:)

is this mouse or rat dropping? (or even bats) as its hard and does not turn to fine dust.


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I originally went for mice, but looking up in the attic this looks like a lot of urine!! There so much movement going on in the gable its like a rave up there


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Without a scale for the dropping sizes all I can say is that its definitely either mouse or rat and not a bat or anything else. Mouse poop is about 1/4in long and rat poop is about 1/2in on average. I did a bunch of ratting for a few farms in Oxfordshire as a hobby so I've got some experience with rats and just a little with mice so hopefully someone with far more experience in here might be able to back me up.
 
I've been dealing with rats in my shed recently so have done a fair bit of research! As above, it definitely looks like rats or mice but hard to tell without a scale. Rat droppings are much bigger at about half an inch.
 
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It looks like you have mice. Had loads of these poops appear in the garage one year and stains all over the concrete floor but it was only one mouse, couldn't believe the mess one could make.
 

Works really well, when my mums house was unoccupied for a few months we spotted mouse droppings. Put down a few small squares of white paper with some of this on each one and took photographs. Went back a few days later and we could see that a lot had been taken. Over the space of the next couple of weeks, the amount taken reduced until there was no more gone and no more droppings.

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One of those chop em in half mouse traps loaded with peanut butter - they love it.

Ronnie bought one in one day and lost it -saw it 3 days later walk past door so put trap down -food went but trap didn't go off -
put peanut butter on -waited till it hardened a bit then put it down -got it same night - The mess it left as said was unbelievable -nest in drawer in bottom of bed with cheese and poo all over the place-Loads of poo in wardrobe where we keep a few packs of biscuits.
It just waited till we went to bed then went to Ronnies water bowl for drink.
At our old house I used poison in loft - told next door (semi) and he apologised as the mice had a big nest in his loft - he had poisoned them as well.
Horrible things in the house.
 
Without a scale for the dropping sizes all I can say is that its definitely either mouse or rat and not a bat or anything else. Mouse poop is about 1/4in long and rat poop is about 1/2in on average. I did a bunch of ratting for a few farms in Oxfordshire as a hobby so I've got some experience with rats and just a little with mice so hopefully someone with far more experience in here might be able to back me up.
How do know they aren't bats? I have identical at one end of my loft on the floor and up the wall clinging to cobwebs. So assumed they belonged to bats...
 
is this mouse or rat dropping? (or even bats) as its hard and does not turn to fine dust.

Without some measurements of the length of the stools I cannot be sure, but they look like brown rat droppings. Mice droppings are about the size of uncooked Basmati rice grains and rat droppings can be considerably longer (12-15 mm) and much thicker.

I originally went for mice, but looking up in the attic this looks like a lot of urine!! There so much movement going on in the gable its like a rave up there

We had rats in our attic/ground floor ceilings last winter. Our neighbours' landlord got some cowboy builders out to replace the external door posts/door to their gas meter room (under their stairs) and they left large gaps at the bottom of the door posts where they met the concrete doorstep. Rats were getting in through those holes and then were climbing up inside the cavity wall into their ceilings and attic and then through the partition wall into our semi-detached house. I had to find the problem and fix it because their landlord insisted it was their fault as they must be leaving the back door open! (He made no attempt to find the problem and ignored their complaints.)

They make a lot of noise overnight as they are nocturnal and they will eventually chew on your electrical wires and possibly through plastic pipes, which can have serious consequences for you and require costly repairs. I lived in a student house with a rat infestation many years ago and they chewed through wires causing an electrical circuit to trip out.

In that house the rats got into the attic by a different route, which could be how they are getting into your attic if there are no holes in your external walls (or those of adjoining properties). They will be coming up from the sewer. Have you taken up the nearest manhole cover for your drains? If you do, you may find that the rats have been tunneling out of your house's sewage pipe/sewer intersection alongside your sewage pipe and have got access to one of the rainwater drainpipes on your house that come down from the roof. They can then climb up the drainpipe, come out on your guttering and then squeeze in between the roof tiles and the eaves and climb up into your attic. That's how they did it in that student house I lived in.

If that's how they're getting in, all you need to do to stop them is to cut some 30 cm square pieces of fine chicken wire (<10 mm mesh) and roll them up so they are over half the internal diameter of the roof drainpipes, then bend them halfway down 360 degrees so they are shaped like a wedge. Insert the wedge shaped end into the top of your rainwater drainpipe where it meets the guttering and push it down until it is firmly stuck in there. That will allow rainwater to go down the pipe but will stop rats from getting out of the top of it. That's how we stopped the rats getting into my last student house (where I was a tenant). You will also need to mend where they are tunneling out of the sewer, but that might be impossible if you don't have access. The long-term guaranteed fix is to insert a one-way steel rat-flap in the sewer pipe between your house's sewage pipe output manhole area and the public sewer.
 
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