Intel 10th Gen question

[SilentGameTestR]

Hello,

Soon im going to replace the 2 systems in my sig once i get another psu to replace the one in system 2(the mag is for a 5900x build) with a singular intel setup instead, but on a budget and so im mocking up the 10th gen in the form of an i5 variant.

My question is this, are there any real differences between them other than clock speed and price? will it matter which model as i believe they only came with 6 core 12 threads? i dont dabble with overclocking anymore, so i will probably just use a stock cooler.

 

[LePhuronn]

Unless you're getting the 10th Gen for literal pennies I wouldn't bother with it. If you're going with older gen hardware then Ryzen 5000 would be a much better bet.

 

[Tetras]

Soon im going to replace the 2 systems in my sig once i get another psu to replace the one in system 2(the mag is for a 5900x build) with a singular intel setup instead, but on a budget and so im mocking up the 10th gen in the form of an i5 variant.

My question is this, are there any real differences between them other than clock speed and price? will it matter which model as i believe they only came with 6 core 12 threads? i dont dabble with overclocking anymore, so i will probably just use a stock cooler.

The Ryzen 5600/5600X or Intel 12400F are generally much better choices new than a 10th gen at this point, but to answer your question: the only meaningful difference is the clock speed.

Aside from clocks, the IGP is slightly faster on the higher models and TSX and VPro are only present above the 10400. All F/KF models don't have an IGP and only K/KF supports CPU overclocking.

FYI: memory overclocking is not unlocked on B460, but it is on B560. B460 boards also don't support an upgrade to 11th gen.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

Unless you're getting the 10th Gen for literal pennies I wouldn't bother with it. If you're going with older gen hardware then Ryzen 5000 would be a much better bet.

looking at 40-55 for one of the i5s and a motherboard i was looking at is a msi pro h510-b @ 45 factor in a power supply and another hard drive then this system would be done under 300, hell probably not more than 200.

i know its old which is the point, plus the costs too. i used to have a workstation with an i7 8086k which with the wx 4100 card it had was good in some vr gaming which was all the gaming i tried, but sold the system before i started getting back in to pc gaming and building otherwise id have that instead, but i want to start now with 10th gen. im making videos testing certain hardware out. 1700/2700 and 3700 would be my next ryzen buys if i was to make any more amd test systems.

The Ryzen 5600/5600X or Intel 12400F are generally much better choices new than a 10th gen at this point, but to answer your question: the only meaningful difference is the clock speed.

Aside from clocks, the IGP is slightly faster on the higher models and TSX and VPro are only present above the 10400. All F/KF models don't have an IGP and only K/KF supports CPU overclocking.

FYI: memory overclocking is not unlocked on B460, but it is on B560. B460 boards also don't support an upgrade to 11th gen.

oh no doubt there are better options, but im doing this on a budget as i will then replace it with better once im finished, but its good to know there isnt much difference in the i5's.

the motherboard im currently looking at is the msi pro h510m-b just because its the cheapest ive seen though i dont think it supports 11th gen which supporting both id consider as it would make sense really.

 

[Tetras]

the motherboard im currently looking at is the msi pro h510m-b just because its the cheapest ive seen though i dont think it supports 11th gen which supporting both id consider as it would make sense really.

Hmm, it really needs to be very cheap to justify it, because you can buy a new H610 motherboard and i3-12100F for very little and an i5-12400F for a bit more.

The i3-12100F competes very well with the 10th gen i5s and the 12400F is significantly stronger overall. They also come with an improved cooler that is good enough to use in the box.

 

[Nathlm]

For the prices you're looking at, I'd definitely consider a 5600 (can be had new around £60-70 if you look hard enough and don't mind waiting a week or two) and a b450 board

 

[Game]

if you can get an i5-10400 and motherboard combo second hand for under £100 yes otherwise no

 

[SilentGameTestR]

Hmm, it really needs to be very cheap to justify it, because you can buy a new H610 motherboard and i3-12100F for very little and an i5-12400F for a bit more.

The i3-12100F competes very well with the 10th gen i5s and the 12400F is significantly stronger overall. They also come with an improved cooler that is good enough to use in the box.

hmm interesting.. i havent looked up the 12th gen, but arent the i3s all quad cores or did they change them? i know this is for a test bench, but is 4 core still a thing or did they ditch them after 10th, maybe 11th gen?.

well for where i have sourced the 2 parts with the motherboard not being a used item, then id be looking at around the 100 mark unless of course i find an actual bundle.

For the prices you're looking at, I'd definitely consider a 5600 (can be had new around £60-70 if you look hard enough and don't mind waiting a week or two) and a b450 board

oh yeah no doubt, but i couldve gotten a 5000 series the other day instead of the 2600 as both my a320 boards have the latest bios, but i wanted a single generation gap comparison and now i want to do an intel build instead. i have 4 systems or rather 3.5 which are all amd, so fancy a change, however i see no personal enjoyment from testing more recent stuff and quite like putting older tech to the test.

if you can get an i5-10400 and motherboard combo second hand for under £100 yes otherwise no

i will have to double check that particular i5, but with the board im considering which would be new, then i should be looking at around the 100 mark, however i am now looking at boards that support both 10th & 11th gen, so would go above that. ideally id like an 8 core intel.

 

[Tetras]

hmm interesting.. i havent looked up the 12th gen, but arent the i3s all quad cores or did they change them? i know this is for a test bench, but is 4 core still a thing or did they ditch them after 10th, maybe 11th gen?.

well for where i have sourced the 2 parts with the motherboard not being a used item, then id be looking at around the 100 mark unless of course i find an actual bundle.

Since 8th gen up to 14th gen, all i3 CPUs are quad cores. They gained hyperthreading with the 10th gen.

So, yes, the 12th gen i3 is a quad core.

They're just so much faster that they can compete with or beat the 10th gen i5, especially in lightly threaded apps or games where the per-core advantage shows.

The only caveat to this, is when the app is fully threaded the 10600K can still win.

 

[Nathlm]

hmm interesting.. i havent looked up the 12th gen, but arent the i3s all quad cores or did they change them? i know this is for a test bench, but is 4 core still a thing or did they ditch them after 10th, maybe 11th gen?.

well for where i have sourced the 2 parts with the motherboard not being a used item, then id be looking at around the 100 mark unless of course i find an actual bundle.


oh yeah no doubt, but i couldve gotten a 5000 series the other day instead of the 2600 as both my a320 boards have the latest bios, but i wanted a single generation gap comparison and now i want to do an intel build instead. i have 4 systems or rather 3.5 which are all amd, so fancy a change, however i see no personal enjoyment from testing more recent stuff and quite like putting older tech to the test.

i will have to double check that particular i5, but with the board im considering which would be new, then i should be looking at around the 100 mark, however i am now looking at boards that support both 10th & 11th gen, so would go above that. ideally id like an 8 core intel.

Can't argue with that.

Wish I had the finances for more than one PC, haha

 

[SilentGameTestR]

Can't argue with that.

Wish I had the finances for more than one

haha only because pretty much all of it was used parts and the 2600 plus some ram i got from trading in parts i was finished with at a certain store i believe i cant mention and returning something else for a refund to same place as it was classed as faulty.

Off the top of my head for the 2 test benches and the additional graphic cards i have spent around 450 in total and that includes any case fans/cables. it also helped having a couple parts from before. if you factor in my fm2+ build then for the motherboard, cpu, cooler and ram ive spent under 40. a monitor, keyboard & mouse that were recent i have excluded, but that wouldve added about 55 with the k/b/m being new. i need a case and a power supply and maybe a new hard drive for the fm2+.

i have purchased this stuff over a 2 month period, so i wouldnt say i have the finances, it just took me awhile to source what i wanted and sell non related things(that i was selling anyways), but if you think about it 450 isnt a lot for 2 systems.

The build im doing for my own personal is a different matter as thats all new parts apart from maybe the graphics cards depending what i end up choosing as mobo and gpu all i need.

My Test bench 1 system is already listed for sale and ive also listed the 1070ti, so while that wont be a lot, it will help fund certain parts of the intel system ive been talking about.